[Yakult]

I can tell you first hand, that these fella's have little or no respect for the surroundings they work in so I dont blame her for the way she has reacted.
They are also pricks to deal with when you take them on after they fcuk you over on your own land.

[MungBean]

Strange reaction from some people here.

If that was my land and those bastards came along and told me they would be bulldozin through it to stick up some pylons I wouldnt be too fcukin pleased. Nor would I open the gates and tell them to destroy what they like.

[kraggy]

Originally Posted by Chuck Stone

Property rights are not absolute. Try telling the government you're not going to pay them anymore taxes and you'd be in the slammer pretty quick.



Do you think someone should be able to buy Newgrange and demolish it?

Or buy a strip of land which encircles a town or village and insist nobody crosses it or build a bridge over it or road across it?



She would have rights to civil action against property destruction I'm fairly sure.

Bullsiht example.

She is not the one making a move on something that isn't hers. They are moving on her.

She was just living there minding her own business and they decided to move on HER.

If it's a complusory purchase order, then she'll have to let them it and that's that. But your example has got nothing to do with this case.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by longhalloween

Hold on now, so does that mean the ESB can roll up to anyones house, say 'sorry luv we have to dig up your garden and stick a pylon in' and that's legal?

No. First off, they are going to plan the route, which on balance minimises cost, disruption and environmental effect. So when its a choice between a housing estate and open fields, its likely to go in the open fields. Forest -v- open fields, well, through the open fields again. Short route through forest -v- long route through fields, well they're going to weigh that up.

Then they need planning permission - if its a major line, they also need to do an Environmental Impact Statement. That can be appealed to An Bord Pleanála (on planning or point of law) and then to the courts (point of law only). That could take 3 months - 2 years.

Is she going to be compensated for the destruction of her property?

It seems its quite lucrative. Lump sum up front + annual payment. It seems the lump sum can work out to be worth more than the land (but you get to keep the land). http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...&postcount=122

[up for anything]

Originally Posted by Chuck Stone

Really? I think you'd find yourself in an insignificant minority on that issue.

Thank goodness.

Gee whiz, do I feel small? No.

[Chuck Stone]

Originally Posted by kraggy

If it's a complusory purchase order, then she'll have to let them it and that's that. But your example has got nothing to do with this case.

I was merely using it to show how property rights are not absolute.

I agree with you that she was minding her own business but if there is such a thing as being reasonable and she is living in a country which will actively uphold her property rights the vast majority of the time.

[cyrusdvirus]

Property and accommodation have a 4 0r 5 page thread on this.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...did=2056383068

Much the same points are being hashed out over there.

Fact of the matter is that the woman is going to jail for contempt of court. She defied a court order and is going to jail for that reason. Simples. And good enough for the daft old biddy.

[Micky Dolenz]

Originally Posted by biko

Old lady, check
Big company, check
Angry people, check

Big company man says that ESB/Eirgrid had offered to compensate Ms Treacy and to plant new trees to replace any that might get damaged. He said it was not possible to place the wires underground.

Would the judge not send her to prison but acquit her any landowning Tom, Dick, Harry and so-called Irish Freemen would soon use this to piss off the government at any turn.

If this was a 30 year old man instead of a 65 year old woman would everyone scream blue murder? I don't think so.

It isn't a sexism or ageism issue. It's a land right issue.

There is also a difference between impossible and inconvenient.

We often have no room in our prisons for criminals but this person gets an indefinite sentence. Wheres the justice there?

[cyrusdvirus]

Originally Posted by Micky Dolenz

It isn't a sexism or ageism issue. It's a land right issue.

There is also a difference between impossible and inconvenient.

We often have no room in our prisons for criminals but this person gets an indefinite sentence. Wheres the justice there?

What gives her the right to totally ignore and disregard a valid court order? If i decide what laws and court orders i will and will not obey does that mean i will be able to get a face book campaign going, and have loads of internet heads standing up for my rights as a obnoxious twat too?

[Micky Dolenz]

Originally Posted by gatecrash

What gives her the right to totally ignore and disregard a valid court order? If i decide what laws and court orders i will and will not obey does that mean i will be able to get a face book campaign going, and have loads of internet heads standing up for my rights as a obnoxious twat too?

Firstly the insults are unnecessary and just weaken any argument you may have.

The landowner isn't opposed to having the powerlines on her land but wants them out of view.

[biko]

Everyone wants power and motorways but not in their backyard.

[cyrusdvirus]

Originally Posted by Micky Dolenz

Firstly the insults are unnecessary and just weaken any argument you may have.

The landowner isn't opposed to having the powerlines on her land but wants them out of view.

I insulted her in my first post on the thread, in the one you quoted I was saying that I'D be the obnoxious twat for picking and choosing what laws and orders i want to obey.

Anyway, this is all well and good, and in-line with most internet discussions/arguments totally pointless. I have my opinion, you have yours, they are at opposite ends of the spectrum and ne'er the twain shall meet.

[Micky Dolenz]

Originally Posted by biko

Everyone wants power and motorways but not in their backyard.

Again, the landowner isn't opposed to her land being used. She is objecting to how it's being used.

[ringadingding]

Get darryl karrigan on the case

Tell em they're dreeemin

[Bruthal]

Originally Posted by gatecrash

What gives her the right to totally ignore and disregard a valid court order? If i decide what laws and court orders i will and will not obey does that mean i will be able to get a face book campaign going, and have loads of internet heads standing up for my rights as a obnoxious twat too?

So once a court order is issued, it is infallible and just, beyond any doubt, and there is no possibility it might be unjust? im sure there are some court orders you might not obey, in the right circumstances.