[myself69]

Originally Posted by n97 mini

The punishment for not having a ticket is being issued with a standard fare. There is no punishment in the bye laws for not paying the standard fare (read the bye laws yourself).

Hmmm this is interesting. Here is the bye-laws:

Standard fare

4. (1) A passenger, on entering a light rail vehicle, who is not in possession of a valid ticket, is liable to pay the standard fare.

(2) A passenger who is on a light rail vehicle without a valid ticket shall pay the standard fare to an authorised person immediately or, at the discretion of the authorised person and where the authorised person is satisfied as to the name and address of the passenger, within a period of 14 days of having so entered the light rail vehicle, to the operator concerned.

(3) An authorised person shall issue the relevant ticket to a passenger who has paid the standard fare and such a ticket entitles the passenger to travel to the next terminus.

(4) Where a passenger is found on a light rail vehicle without a valid ticket by an authorised person and the passenger refuses to pay the standard fare immediately, the authorised person may request the passenger to leave the light rail vehicle at the next stop and the passenger shall comply with such a request.

(5) In this Bye-law “standard fare” means a fare of €45.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2004/en/si/0100.html

So not paying the standard fare just gets you kicked off. However, the RPA says you could be fined 1000euro in the district court. Where is the district court law.

[sean29]

I only noticed now that the ticket-inspector took my second name instead of the first one. If I had given them a fake address I guess there would be no problem I signed my 3 e-mails with my first name.

[monument]

Originally Posted by Victor

OP, I'm informed that the machines keep a log of all activity, including attempted transactions. That may decide your mind, but realise time may be against you.

A court would not look well if such records are not kept when such is central to the person's defence.

While it is a fairly minor matter, a court will view it serious the possibility of giving somebody even a minor record.

[gizmo555]

Originally Posted by Aard

You can't exactly twist Veolia's arm into going into *their* CCTV footage to prove that *you* don't owe them money

Yes you can:

Under Section 4 of the Data Protection Acts, you also have a right to get a copy of your personal information. This applies to all types of information -for example, written details about you held electronically or on paper, photographs and CCTV images.

The maximum fee which can be charged is €6.35.

[n97 mini]

Originally Posted by Losty Dublin

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/...066.html#sec66

Read and inwardly digest before your next post.

Perhaps you didn't read them before you posted?

[AlekSmart]

Steady boyz.......

(4) Where a passenger is found on a light rail vehicle without a valid ticket by an authorised person and the passenger refuses to pay the standard fare immediately, the authorised person may request the passenger to leave the light rail vehicle at the next stop and the passenger shall comply with such a request.

Therefore,equally,the authorised person may not make that request and instead follow the paper trail instead....

[foggy_lad]

Originally Posted by AlekSmart

Steady boyz.......



Therefore,equally,the authorised person may not make that request and instead follow the paper trail instead....

Indeed and when the inspector/authorised person goes the route of issueing a penalty fare you are asked to pay immediately or give your details so you can be sent reminders to pay within 14 days but what actual statute or Bye-law pertains to failing to pay the penalty fare within the specified timeframe?

It would appear from the information on the thread that not paying the penalty fare is not an offence?

[n97 mini]

Originally Posted by foggy_lad

It would appear from the information on the thread that not paying the penalty fare is not an offence?

We can't say that for definite. But we can say that the under the Bye Laws it's not.

[Losty Dublin]

Originally Posted by gizmo555

Yes you can:

Under Section 4 of the Data Protection Acts, you also have a right to get a copy of your personal information. This applies to all types of information -for example, written details about you held electronically or on paper, photographs and CCTV images.

The maximum fee which can be charged is €6.35.

Provided that they still have the image when you contact them for same. The CCTV images won't be held onto for long; the Data Protection Commission website says that CCTV images can't be help onto any longer than is reasonable so it's likely that it will be erased within a month of it being recorded so you'd need to get onto them ASAP.

http://www.dataprotection.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=242

[gizmo555]

Originally Posted by Losty Dublin

Provided that they still have the image when you contact them for same. The CCTV images won't be held onto for long; the Data Protection Commission website says that CCTV images can't be help onto any longer than is reasonable so it's likely that it will be erased within a month of it being recorded so you'd need to get onto them ASAP.

http://www.dataprotection.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=242

Well yes, if they don't have the CCTV footage, obviously they can't give it to you.

Doesn't alter the point that, contrary to what the previous poster claimed, on request they must check if they do have the footage, and if they do, they are legally obliged to give you a copy.

[PseudoFamous]

Originally Posted by Losty Dublin

<snippity>

"J Corr"?

[monument]

Trying to claim they can't bring you to court for not paying the fine is not plausible. But this looks like...

Originally Posted by Losty Dublin

If they can't prosecute, I am sure you can explain away this beaut

...a possible breach of the Data Protection Act and maybe also libelous?

[Keith186]

Originally Posted by sean29

Thanks everyone for replies.



I thought that was not possible until this morning! I took the luas at 5.30 again and I overheard the driver talking on his 'walkie talkie' that the machine ate some bloke's money a second ago! How about that?

In the meantime still no answer for my 3rd e-mail.

For a minute there I thought that you could've been 'some bloke ' putting the free travel revenge into action.

[Losty Dublin]

Originally Posted by monument

Trying to claim they can't bring you to court for not paying the fine is not plausible. But this looks like...




...a possible breach of the Data Protection Act and maybe also libelous?

I took the photo myself on a private IRRS tour; we had permission to take photos of whatever we liked. And I did

[markpb]

Originally Posted by monument

Trying to claim they can't bring you to court for not paying the fine is not plausible. But this looks like... ...a possible breach of the Data Protection Act and maybe also libelous?

Court rulings are public documents, there's no data protection issue that I'm aware of. You can search a lot of court cases on www.courts.ie.