[dlofnep]

Originally Posted by Liam Byrne

That comment had nothing to so with grammar, and you know it.

It was the fact that most SF people refuse point-blank to refer to this state by its name, therefore having one of them as its president is absolutely ridiculous and objectionable.

Would America stand for having a president that referred to their country as "North America" or "Southern Canada" ?

The name of the state is Éire/Ireland. Republicans view Ireland as a single nation, comprising of the entire Island, as does the constitution of this Republic. So, to use colloquial terms which highlight that the Island is partitioned is perfectly acceptable and is used by many politicians in Ireland outside of Sinn Féin who often use the phrase 'the north of the country'.

You're going to have to get over your hang-up on such trivial bollocks such as terms like 'the south/the north/6 counties/' etc... It comes across as petty.

[steddyeddy]

Originally Posted by hmmm

I don't know about that, but they certainly were major contributors to continuing it long past the point where it had any justification.

We may have a Sinn Fein president in the future, but the memories of Enniskillen, the deaths of two children in Warrington and the bombings in London & Manchester are still too fresh.

Indeed they really need to clarify what their current position on these atrocites are. Military target wont cut it anymore.

[blahfckingblah]

Originally Posted by Liam Byrne

That comment had nothing to so with grammar, and you know it.

It was the fact that most SF people refuse point-blank to refer to this state by its name, therefore having one of them as its president is absolutely ridiculous and objectionable.

Would America stand for having a president that referred to their country as "North America" or "Southern Canada" ?

http://www.boards.ie/search/?q=the+N...o=&sort=newest a list of places where you refer to Northern Ireland as "the North", and one slice of humble pie to go.

[COYW]

Originally Posted by Baralis1

Did she not work as a lecturer here? I could be mistaken.

She was Reid Professor in Law in Trinity alright.

[round tower huntsman]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

The name of the state is Éire/Ireland. Republicans view Ireland as a single nation, comprising of the entire Island, as does the constitution of this Republic

actually i think your wrong there. as part of the gfa we dropped articles 2 and 3, we gave away our claim on the osc. its no longer in our constitution.
i stand to be corrected.

[COYW]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

The name of the state is Éire/Ireland. Republicans view Ireland as a single nation, comprising of the entire Island, as does the constitution of this Republic

Only those who rejected the GFA could do so. Anyone, who accepted the GFA agreed to give up that title. Northern Ireland is completely separate.

[Liam Byrne]

Originally Posted by round tower huntsman

actually i think your wrong there. as part of the gfa we dropped articles 2 and 3, we gave away our claim on the osc. its no longer in our constitution.
i stand to be corrected.

SF will never let the small matter of facts get in the way of their agenda, which is part of the problem I have with them.

If you mention the GFA to them they'll point out that that means the criminals were released, but they conveniently ignore the fact that you just pointed out.

To them the "wish" is their reality......despite the fact that my "wish" would be to have all those who murdered innocents still in jail.

I had to accept the compromise, but SF refuse to.

[Mr.Micro]

It will be interesting to see how Martin McGuinness gets on and if he is elected. I for one would not vote for him. If he is elected I feel it will be a step back for our country, although the President role IMO is largely symbolic.

[dlofnep]

Originally Posted by round tower huntsman

actually i think your wrong there. as part of the gfa we dropped articles 2 and 3, we gave away our claim on the osc. its no longer in our constitution.
i stand to be corrected.

I am not wrong. Our constitutional claim as a matter of default was dropped, but the constitution still refers to the Island of Ireland as the Irish nation.

It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation.

It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland

Note that it is very carefully worded to state the 'Irish nation', rather than the Irish 'state'. The aspiration for a united Ireland is constitutionally affirmed.

[realies]

Originally Posted by round tower huntsman

actually i think your wrong there. as part of the gfa we dropped articles 2 and 3, we gave away our claim on the osc. its no longer in our constitution.
i stand to be corrected.

This is what it says
Under the terms of the 1998 Belfast Agreement, Articles 2 and 3 were amended to remove any reference to a "national territory", and to state that a united Ireland should only come about with the consent of majorities in both the jurisdictions on the island of Ireland. The amended Articles also guarantee the people of Northern Ireland the right to be a "part of the Irish Nation", and to Irish citizenship.

[anymore]

Originally Posted by round tower huntsman

actually i think your wrong there. as part of the gfa we dropped articles 2 and 3, we gave away our claim on the osc. its no longer in our constitution.
i stand to be corrected.

No I am afraid you are wrong. Aericles 2 and 3 were amended, not dropped:
As amended they grant the right to be "part of the Irish Nation" to all of those born on the island of Ireland and express a desire for the peaceful political unification of the island subject to the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. Before 1999, Articles 2 and 3 made the claim that the whole island formed one "national territory".

[RandomName2]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

The name of the state is Éire/Ireland. Republicans view Ireland as a single nation, comprising of the entire Island, as does the constitution of this Republic. So, to use colloquial terms which highlight that the Island is partitioned is perfectly acceptable and is used by many politicians in Ireland outside of Sinn Féin who often use the phrase 'the north of the country'.

You're going to have to get over your hang-up on such trivial bollocks such as terms like 'the south/the north/6 counties/' etc... It comes across as petty.

I am not terribly sure who has the hangup; as Sinn Fein has traditionally (SF4 and 5) ignored the legitimacy of the Dail and has considered both the civil authorities and armed forces of Ireland to be legitimate targets for their armed wing. When a party has, from pragmatic reasons, held its nose to enter your parliament, it is not surprising when people attribute their apparently sloppy engagement with the legal definitions of the states within which they reside, as a very deliberate, and possibly sinister symbolic gesture.

The Troubles have taught the island of Ireland to forgive and forget.

Perhaps forgive is the wrong word for former paramilitary members and were tainted at the very least, by association, but we can at least tolerate.

Forgetting members of the Old Guard such as McGunniess would also be a step forward, not least for SF itself; who are still in the eyes of many the inheritors of a bloody legacy.

[anymore]

It is reassuring to so see many posters know their constitution.

[dlofnep]

Originally Posted by Liam Byrne

SF will never let the small matter of facts get in the way of their agenda, which is part of the problem I have with them.

I have already highlighted that this is not a fact.

[Le King]

Originally Posted by RandomName2

I am not terribly sure who has the hangup; as Sinn Fein has traditionally (SF4 and 5) ignored the legitimacy of the Dail and has considered both the civil authorities and armed forces of Ireland to be legitimate targets for their armed wing. When a party has, from pragmatic reasons, held its nose to enter your parliament, it is not surprising when people attribute their apparently sloppy engagement with the legal definitions of the states within which they reside, as a very deliberate, and possibly sinister symbolic gesture.

The Troubles have taught the island of Ireland to forgive and forget.

Perhaps forgive is the wrong word for former paramilitary members and were tainted at the very least, by association, but we can at least tolerate.

Forgetting members of the Old Guard such as McGunniess would also be a step forward, not least for SF itself; who are still in the eyes of many the inheritors of a bloody legacy.

I've read some crap here, but, my god.
McGuinness is the outstanding candidate here by far. Will get my vote anyway.