[ShadowHearth]

Just to add: we're there any gen 3 mobos in your price range? You could get it just in case, will be bullet prove. Sorry I can't check it properly I am on my phone.

[Kiith]

Originally Posted by ShadowHearth

Just to add: we're there any gen 3 mobos in your price range? You could get it just in case, will be bullet prove. Sorry I can't check it properly I am on my phone.

By gen 3, do you mean the Z68 motherboards? There's a ASRock Z68 Pro3 (B3), Sockel 1155, ATX for an extra €12. Is it worth it? Would a cheap Z68 be better then a reasonably priced P67?

[ShadowHearth]

I would go with z68 and it Ussually says its gen 3 m8. Main difference: pcie 3.0. Sorry I can't check it and point out which one m8.

[Serephucus]

The Gen3 Pro3 Z68 isn't in stock, but there's no mad-crazy differences. The only things you really get are Ivy support (which may or may not be a factor) and PCI-E 3.0, which is probably not going to matter at all.

[Monotype]

Wow! SSDs have taken a slump in price over the past week.
I think that the Crucial M4 is worth the money @ €87. It's a higher class drive than the agility 3.
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=46113

[ShadowHearth]

Originally Posted by Serephucus

The Gen3 Pro3 Z68 isn't in stock, but there's no mad-crazy differences. The only things you really get are Ivy support (which may or may not be a factor) and PCI-E 3.0, which is probably not going to matter at all.

Surely you can put ivy bridge in to any 1155 socket? Or there is something we don't
know yet?

Mono, how much was it before? Maybe 120gb ones droped too? I would not mind a ssd for steam

[Serephucus]

I always thought one of the selling point of Gen3 stuff was that they came with out-of-the-box support for 22nm chips, but maybe that's just me.

[Monotype]

Originally Posted by ShadowHearth

Mono, how much was it before? Maybe 120gb ones droped too? I would not mind a ssd for steam

I think the M4 was €92/93 or so last week. Around a fiver drop.

Edit: Regarding Gen 3, I think it was originally for Ivy Bridge, but I think PCI-E 3 is the only big feature now as Intel said that most of the chipsets would support IB. Not all 1155s though, there's Q67 and some other ones but I haven't seen these for sale much.

[Kiith]

Thanks for the info folks. One last thing, can anyone recommend any other good cases, for a bit cheaper if possible? I'm pushing towards the €700 mark, which i definitely didn't want to get close to, and i figure maybe could save a bit on the case.

Was thinking something like this.
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/artic...50887&agid=631

Also, do these come with fans, or do i need to get them separately?

[Fluffy88]

That looks like an alright case.
Personally I would go with the BitFenix Merc Beta as it seems to have better cable management stuff.

But if you prefer the one you posted BitFenix make good cases so there should be no issues with that one either.

[Monotype]

I think the outlaw has an upside-down motherboard mounting, which has it's advantages but it's a bit weird all the same. Anandtech did a review on it a couple of months ago - I think it was positive and I can dig it up if you want.

[Kiith]

Originally Posted by Monotype

I think the outlaw has an upside-down motherboard mounting, which has it's advantages but it's a bit weird all the same. Anandtech did a review on it a couple of months ago - I think it was positive and I can dig it up if you want.

Think i'll go with the outlaw, as it seems pretty good from the reviews i've read. I'm guessing i'll need to buy some fans as well? Any recommendations, or does it really matter what ones i get?

Also, assuming i do go with the below parts, is there anything else i need to get? (i.e fans, cooling paste etc?). I've a standard hard drive from the old pc, but that was all i was planning on keeping.

Intel Core i5-2500k, LGA1155 - €190.71
ASRock P67 Pro3 (B3), Sockel 1155, ATX - €81.59
Sapphire HD6870 1G GDDR5 PCI-E - €147.59
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W - €53.65
8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-12800U - €42.99
Crucial M4 64GB SSD 6,4cm (2,5") - €87.14
BitFenix Outlaw Midi-Tower - €36.71

Total - €640.38

[Kiith]

Sorry to bump this, but just a quick question before i order this tomorrow. Do i need to get some fans for this, or will the ones with the case be enough? Or are there even any with the case?

[Monotype]

One fan with it.
http://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/pr...s/outlaw#specs

You should probably get a second fan for a bit more flow around the case - one for the front? Or more if you feel like it. Two should be enough though.

[FlyingIrishMan]

Originally Posted by Kiith

Sorry to bump this, but just a quick question before i order this tomorrow. Do i need to get some fans for this, or will the ones with the case be enough? Or are there even any with the case?

There was one in the Merc Beta version I bought.
I don't have any other fans other than the ones on the GPU and the Stock Cooler but I still rarely go over 40 (50 when playing games) on any component.