[Park Royal]

Originally Posted by JMSE

Can I run the stove without the throat plate?

Reason I ask is I want to find a way to avoid the cloud of smoke which comes back out when you open the door to reload. You'd think a stove would have no issues with smoke, but its not the case. Often you hear the phrase 'dont burn this/that in an open fire' - the stove has to be worse by far. Our old open fire would only downsmoke if there was bad wind but now if I reload the stove every 45 mins or so we have a cloud each time.

I find if I have to reload fuel into the stove , the previous fuel is in or close to ashes......I burn smokeless coal, turf briquettes, and bits of timber/wood, as a result there is next to no smoke at that stage.....

but as routine I open the top air vent ( wait a few seconds) to allow any fumes go up the chimney , I then put in the new fuel close up and adjust the top air vent to allow some small venting up the chimney ......

thats my experience....may help....?

[Stove Fan]

Originally Posted by HousetoHome

Hello Stove Fan & All,

I have an open plan area of 25' wide X 30' long X 9' high ceilings (it's actually slighty 'L' shaped, but to square it out, it'd be 25' X 30'), with excellent insulation, in a new build house.

I would like to install a high quality, non-boiler, multi fuel stove, please.

I have checked several different online KW calculators for a room that size, but the suggested stove heat output varies considerably from website to website. Some suggested that I would need a stove with an output of 9.9KW, while others suggest as high as 14.3 KWs.

I'd have also looked at Stove Reviews to help select a manufacturers, but I cant narrow my choice until I know what KW I'd need first.

I'd appreciate any recommendations of output needs, and stoves please.

Thanks very much.

Hi It really depends on the insulation levels and number of windows and external walls and how airtight the room is.
It's such a hard one to say but as a questimate I would say anything from 8kw to 10kw would be plenty.

We heat a room of 5.6mx5.7m x2.7m with 3 external walls and 2 external glass doors, one double, with a 3 kw output boiler stove and 1kw radiator. It was lovely and warm even in the cold spell last winter.
The room is a new block built extension with 70mm aeroboard platinum insulation in the 100mm cavity and drylined internally in 38mm+12mm kingspan Xtratherm plasterboards.

For a stove consider the Charnwood Island2.
http://www.charnwood.com/range/stove/island-ii.aspx

I dont rate there country model range with the V front. The island and Cove are there premium brands.

Stove Fan

[HousetoHome]

Originally Posted by Stove Fan

Hi It really depends on the insulation levels and number of windows and external walls and how airtight the room is.
It's such a hard one to say but as a questimate I would say anything from 8kw to 10kw would be plenty.

We heat a room of 5.6mx5.7m x2.7m with 3 external walls and 2 external glass doors, one double, with a 3 kw output boiler stove and 1kw radiator. It was lovely and warm even in the cold spell last winter.
The room is a new block built extension with 70mm aeroboard platinum insulation in the 100mm cavity and drylined internally in 38mm+12mm kingspan Xtratherm plasterboards.

For a stove consider the Charnwood Island2.
http://www.charnwood.com/range/stove/island-ii.aspx

I dont rate there country model range with the V front. The island and Cove are there premium brands.

Stove Fan

Thank you for taking the time to reply, Stove Fan. Much appreciated.


The room is superbly insulated with Platium Bead pumped into a 100mm block cavity and "Contega" fleece tape all around the 4 double glazed windows and one extenal door. It has 3 external walls. I would consider it very air tight.


I had a look at the Charnwood Island 2 on HETAS website and even though it is rated with a high efficiency (71.5%), it is only a Wood Burner Stove, unfortunately. I double checked that in Charnwood's own website too. So, that one is ruled out, as I'd prefer a multi fuel stove, please.

I was considering Dovre 2000 Multi Fuel 11KW Stove. It has a 72.75% HETAS Effiency rating. I also liked it for it's rustic, old style looks.
http://www.dovre.co.uk/html/canopy-2000.html
Have you any experience of it, please?

Or, what other quality multifuels could you recommend, please?

Thanks very much for your time.

[framework123]

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Hi,

Looking for recommendations and rough price guide for a free standing stove...Basically looking to replace our 'open fire' with a free-standing stove, to cut costs on coal/wood etc.
House is 4 years old so we have standard block chimney I guess- Will I have to do anything to the chimney?
I have attached a pic as there is some 'grooves' in our fireplace so wondering if these will cause issues?
As regards installation is something I could attempt myself? What else would I need besides the actual Stove?
Room is 17 Square metres and not looking to heat rads or anything like that.

Thanks for any advice , hoping to start shopping around 2mor for 1

[Stove Fan]

Originally Posted by HousetoHome

Thank you for taking the time to reply, Stove Fan. Much appreciated.


The room is superbly insulated with Platium Bead pumped into a 100mm block cavity and "Contega" fleece tape all around the 4 double glazed windows and one extenal door. It has 3 external walls. I would consider it very air tight.


I had a look at the Charnwood Island 2 on HETAS website and even though it is rated with a high efficiency (71.5%), it is only a Wood Burner Stove, unfortunately. I double checked that in Charnwood's own website too. So, that one is ruled out, as I'd prefer a multi fuel stove, please.

I was considering Dovre 2000 Multi Fuel 11KW Stove. It has a 72.75% HETAS Effiency rating. I also liked it for it's rustic, old style looks.
http://www.dovre.co.uk/html/canopy-2000.html
Have you any experience of it, please?

Or, what other quality multifuels could you recommend, please?

Thanks very much for your time.

Hi, the charnwood island is multifuel and says about the grate in the specs, http://www.charnwood.com/range/island.aspx

Also see this link about the grate and to the right lists Island. http://www.charnwood.com/multifuel-grate.aspx HETAS may of only tested it on wood and not coal.

The Dovre is very much like an open fire and not as good as a Charnwood island. The charnwood island has great control of the burn rate and is a great quality stove.
The other stove thats good quality is Dunsley stoves.
http://www.dunsleyheat.co.uk/multifuelstove.htm


Stove Fan

[profitius]

I've heard that most stoves only last a few years. Maybe thats just cheap stoves?? Can anyone recomment long lasting stoves, please.

[guinness queen]

Hi stove fan, can you elaborate on your comment the Dovre is like an open fire. i am curious nothing else. thanks again for all the advice. I still have not purchased my stove and with each day get more confused, but I had a chimney fire a few months ago and am waiting for the repair to the chimney at least it cleaned it, though an expensive sweep.

[Stove Fan]

Originally Posted by framework123

https://picasaweb.google.com/1046685...57691870895778

https://picasaweb.google.com/1046685...57282315929666



Hi,

Looking for recommendations and rough price guide for a free standing stove...Basically looking to replace our 'open fire' with a free-standing stove, to cut costs on coal/wood etc.
House is 4 years old so we have standard block chimney I guess- Will I have to do anything to the chimney?
I have attached a pic as there is some 'grooves' in our fireplace so wondering if these will cause issues?
As regards installation is something I could attempt myself? What else would I need besides the actual Stove?
Room is 17 Square metres and not looking to heat rads or anything like that.

Thanks for any advice , hoping to start shopping around 2mor for 1

Hi If you want a freestanding stove I think your fireplace would need a lot of work to extend the hearth out and if the surround is wooden then that needs to be a set distance from the stove.
You can get arch plate adapters to fit an arched insert stove from online irish providers for your existing arched fireplace. This may be your best option.
Or remove the fireplace and start again either new marble surround and insert stove or freestanding.

Stove Fan

[Stove Fan]

Originally Posted by profitius

I've heard that most stoves only last a few years. Maybe thats just cheap stoves?? Can anyone recomment long lasting stoves, please.

No this isn't true but you do get what you pay for, but some are way better made/quality than others.

If you want a quality stove look at.

Clearview.
Woodwarm.
Morso,
Charnwood,

All the above are premium brands but woodwarm is good quality and cheaper price than the others although clearview are considered the best.
see www.whatstove.co.uk for owner reviews.

Stove Fan

[Stove Fan]

Originally Posted by guinness queen

Hi stove fan, can you elaborate on your comment the Dovre is like an open fire. i am curious nothing else. thanks again for all the advice. I still have not purchased my stove and with each day get more confused, but I had a chimney fire a few months ago and am waiting for the repair to the chimney at least it cleaned it, though an expensive sweep.

I myself view them between an open fire and stove. More efficient than an open fire but not as controllable as a good quality stove.

Ie having several doors more prone to air being let in so no real control of the fire, and cleaning the glass is a pain.

See reviews here.
http://www.whatstove.co.uk/dovre-sto...000-stove.html

The charnwood island will be superb to control so use less fuel and is a better stove all round.

Stove Fan

[framework123]

Originally Posted by Stove Fan

Hi If you want a freestanding stove I think your fireplace would need a lot of work to extend the hearth out and if the surround is wooden then that needs to be a set distance from the stove.
You can get arch plate adapters to fit an arched insert stove from online irish providers for your existing arched fireplace. This may be your best option.
Or remove the fireplace and start again either new marble surround and insert stove or freestanding.

Stove Fan

Thanks for reply..the surround is marble so is that ok?

Prob a stupid question but why does the hearth need to be extended?

[profitius]

I heard that a steel pipe leading out the chimney is better than a normal chimney. Is that true?

[guinness queen]

Hi stove fan, many thanks for that. I did not realise it was the Dovre 2000 (the franklin type) I just love them but again I would agree they must be very like the open fire, I guess that they use a lot of fuel. I wonder if the other Dovre models are good buy.
thanks again for all your help, reading your comments is a real education.

[Stove Fan]

Originally Posted by framework123

Thanks for reply..the surround is marble so is that ok?

Prob a stupid question but why does the hearth need to be extended?

Being marble then you wont need to worry about it. The only issue if you place a stove on the marble hearth (base) then you should for building regulations have at a minimum 9 inches infront of the stove. Ie the marble hearth 9 inches infront of the stove.

This is to protect the floor from heat/ hot coals falling from the stove.

What I would do if you can is to either get another piece of marble to match and fit it infront or slide the hearth forward and then add the new piece on the back or fit a whole new piece. It can be anything so long its fireproof. You could then sit a small stove ontop like a stanley oisin providing the rear flue is low enough to go through the fire opening. You would get a arched metal plate fitted infront to match the arch with hole in for flue. If possible connect the stoves fluepipe to the clay liner using 2x 45 degree bends and a clay flue adapter. This is better as you dont have to remove the stove to sweep the chimney and no soot builds up in the old fireplace recess. A fire hazard. This adapter is needed to connect to your clay flue. If not lined fit a stainless flue liner.

Stove Fan

[Stove Fan]

Originally Posted by profitius

I heard that a steel pipe leading out the chimney is better than a normal chimney. Is that true?

Yes a stainless steel flexible liner is a much better job than a clay lined flue. The clay lined flue is for an open fire being minimum of 8 inch internal. Most stoves are 5 or 6 inch flues so the clay lining is much larger than needed.

The clay lined flue absorbs the heat and can cool the flue gas temperatures and can lead to tar/ condensation the higher up the flue due to cooling of the flue the higher up you go.

The stainless steel flexible liner keeps the flue much warmer quicker so improves the draw and as its warmer less likely to form tar if the wood/fuel is dry.

Line the flue if you can especially if it's old. All flues should be smoke tested before use.

Stove Fan