[weisses]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

From my understanding of meglome's post I would say he thinks the debris had a lot to do with the collapse.

No it didn't (NIST conclusion not mine)

Originally Posted by Squirrel

What questions with which parts of the conclusions? I would imagine believing that there was a controlled demolition would lead one to have to completely dismiss the official report as opposed to raising "questions with parts of the conclusions".

Discussed already in this thread

[King Mob]

Originally Posted by weisses

but they did show the whole collapse and you kept saying they didn't

Once compared to how many times?
And there the fact that in all of their websites and leafets they clearly claim that the collapse started after the penthouse fell.

Originally Posted by weisses

No you are wrong ...the total collapse is about 16 seconds the outer walls are coming down in 7 secs (free fall) its in every video!!

So again, if we ignore a part of reality we can believe the conspiracy?
Or is it the other way around? To believe the conspiracy you have to ignore a part of reality?

But then even if you do ignore that inconvenient bit of reality, you're still getting the time wrong. The façade didn't fall in 7 seconds either, just out of sight in that time, which Gage and his band of liars let you think is the total collapse.

[meglome]

Originally Posted by weisses

but they did show the whole collapse and you kept saying they didn't

I watched an hour and a half but I didn't see any showing for the full 16-17 second collapse. When do they show it?

Originally Posted by weisses

Thats the biggest BS i have seen so far in relation to any free fall theory (and this is the nist conclusion?? )

Don't get you. Read this page. http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lie...anicalpenthous

Originally Posted by weisses

No you are wrong ...the total collapse is about 16 seconds the outer walls are coming down in 7 secs (free fall) its in every video!!

Look even NIST say that some of the façade (i.e. the outside glass with some steel) partly fell at free fall speeds. This actual makes sense looking at the full video as you can see the internal structure collapsing.

[Squirrel]

Originally Posted by weisses

No it didn't (NIST conclusion not mine)

Originally Posted by meglome

Let's look to the NIST report. They say the internal structure is weakened from the damage of the WTC1&2 collapses

I would take that as saying that there was damage caused by the collapse of WTC1&2. So how pray tell is that a NIST conclusion and not your own?

[weisses]

Originally Posted by meglome

I watched an hour and a half but I didn't see any showing for the full 16-17 second collapse. When do they show it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

47:54 in the video

Originally Posted by meglome

Don't get you. Read this page. http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lie...anicalpenthous

Will read that thanks

[King Mob]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

I would take that as saying that there was damage caused by the collapse of WTC1&2. So how pray tell is that a NIST conclusion and not your own?

There's a quote he's found were the NIST says that the building would have collapsed by the fires alone, even if there wasn't any damage.
He, taking the word of the NIST as gospel now that it suits him, believes this to mean that they said that the damage played no role.

[weisses]

Originally Posted by Squirrel

I would take that as saying that there was damage caused by the collapse of WTC1&2. So how pray tell is that a NIST conclusion and not your own?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ecture/4278874

also discussed in the building 7 thread

[meglome]

Originally Posted by weisses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

47:54 in the video

As I said I watched an hour and a half and didn't see the whole collapse, and I still haven't. Though I am amused when they show the start of the collapse and the NIST animation which look identical to me then wheel on the 'experts' saying it's wrong.

[weisses]

Originally Posted by meglome

As I said I watched an hour and a half and didn't see the whole collapse, and I still haven't. Though I am amused when they show the start of the collapse and the NIST animation which look identical to me then wheel on the 'experts' saying it's wrong.

What part do you believe is missing? i did see the penthouse collapse

[Guy:Incognito]

Not sure if it was discussed already , only making my way through the thread but somethign I never thought of before watching the edward current video. If it was dropped in a controlled explosion, how come the fires that burned for 7 hours didnt damage the explosives or the cabling to them?

[meglome]

Originally Posted by Guy:Incognito

Not sure if it was discussed already , only making my way through the thread but somethign I never thought of before watching the edward current video. If it was dropped in a controlled explosion, how come the fires that burned for 7 hours didnt damage the explosives or the cabling to them?

A huge fireball and fire burning over a few floors and somehow the explosives don't go off. Harry Potter brand explosives.

[weisses]

Originally Posted by meglome

A huge fireball and fire burning over a few floors and somehow the explosives don't go off. Harry Potter brand explosives.

correct and after that they used his wand to level wtc7 in a magically symmetrical collapse .. see now it all makes sense when you bring in Harry potter


Question still remains valid though

[meglome]

Originally Posted by weisses

What part do you believe is missing? i did see the penthouse collapse

Yes you did see the penthouse collapse, shown once. But the 16 seconds of the whole collapse is never shown in once piece, not that I saw anyway. By not showing it in one go there is no way for anyone watching the video to see how long the collapse takes.

Originally Posted by weisses

correct and after that they used his wand to level wtc7 in a magically symmetrical collapse .. see now it all makes sense when you bring in Harry potter

Question still remains valid though

Okay I'll try once more. You can see the east mechanical penthouse falls into the building left to right. Then the penthouse falls in mostly left to right. The building completely falls after that but it's falling slightly to one corner. How is that a symmetrical collapse exactly in the way the truthers mean?

Originally Posted by weisses

Question still remains valid though

How do you think all these fires burned and didn't set off anything?

[weisses]

Originally Posted by meglome

Yes you did see the penthouse collapse, shown once. But the 16 seconds of the whole collapse is never shown in once piece, not that I saw anyway. By not showing it in one go there is no way for anyone watching the video to see how long the collapse takes.

What clip would be acceptable for you ? (showing as much detail as possible of the collapse)

Originally Posted by meglome

Okay I'll try once more. You can see the east mechanical penthouse falls into the building left to right. Then the penthouse falls in mostly left to right. The building completely falls after that but it's falling slightly to one corner. How is that a symmetrical collapse exactly in the way the truthers mean?

Please watch the video from 34.30 to 47.30 ... what do you not accept and why is it impossible

Originally Posted by meglome

How do you think all these fires burned and didn't set off anything?

I don't know

That's one off the things i don't like in that video ... if you want to proof something then get your (nano) thermite find some derelict steel structure place the damn things and see what happens

But hey even if they managed to demolish it you get the skeptics saying that its not the exact same structure .... etc

What i don't get From the NIST report (claimed by makers of the video)

Is that they couldn't get information about the parameters used in the simulation 49.50 in the video

If true then this is not science but politics imo

[Squirrel]

Originally Posted by weisses

That's one off the things i don't like in that video ... if you want to proof something then get your (nano) thermite find some derelict steel structure place the damn things and see what happens

But hey even if they managed to demolish it you get the skeptics saying that its not the exact same structure .... etc

And no doubt if the building didn't fall you'd have the truthers saying it's not the exact same structure, swings and roundabouts really.