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Originally Posted by scoring forward

Having gone to a lot of matches this year i wonder who do ye think will get football and hurling players players of the year adult and minor in the county

John Mullane for Senior intercounty hurling

Stephen Bennet for minor hurling

Only saw one football game but Shane Briggs was impressive from what i saw

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Could a kind Mod remove the poll. Pointless and annoying at this stage

[scoring forward]

Agreed about mullane and briggs but i would have thought gavin o brien or jamie barron would be in with a shout for underage hurler as they were both outstanding for clubs in the SH championship . Barron even made the team for the U21 munster championship.I heard that he was v good that night.

[Mountainlad]

Originally Posted by scoring forward

Agreed about mullane and briggs but i would have thought gavin o brien or jamie barron would be in with a shout for underage hurler as they were both outstanding for clubs in the SH championship . Barron even made the team for the U21 munster championship.I heard that he was v good that night.

Agreed about the minor, between the two of them I think. Mullane should be Senior as well.

As for football, I think Paul Whyte should be considered. Obviously Hurney will be up there, Brick was excellent in the county championship.

[Black Suir]

Originally Posted by hardybuck

Apparently the SFC relegation final between St Saviours and Ballinameela is being held tonight in Kilmacthomas.

What was holding this back until a couple of weeks before Christmas. Ballinameela while winning the junior hurling surely had plenty of free weeks earlier in the summer, and do Saviours even have anything other than men's football!?

Total farce, and an insult to the players involved.

Clonea would also have played hurling Junior and Under 21 in recent weeks, and Ballinameela would also have players playing under 21 with St Olivers, which would have delayed this game. As things worked out the game in Kilmacthomas did not take place. I see it is fixed for this Saturday.

[Black Suir]

Originally Posted by hardybuck

Why did it take until 22nd of October to play a Western Junior final? Why did it take almost 6 months to play the Eastern Junior Hurling competition, in which Butlerstown only played 4 games!?

Ballinameela haven't played football in 13 weeks and are asked to go out an defend their senior status. Saviours have played three games in the 13 weeks. How can lads maintain interest in the sport with this kind of messing?

Agreed, this game should be played long ago. One of the problems we have in this county is that we have too many boards at Adult and Juvenile level. Maybe if we had one at Adult and Juvenile level we might be better off. The divisional boards however seem to be fighting tooth and nail to make sure that this does not happen. The Divisional Boards in their day served their purpose, but are no longer really needed. It seems that the divisional boards are using a bit of spin to try and retain them, saying Tallow could have to visit Gaultier for a game or vice versa if competitions were all county. Last time i looked, all championship games are played at neutral venues, and there is no reason to suggest that if they were all county they would not remain all county.

Ok i might not be fully right saying that championships are played on neutral grounds, minor is played home and away and some games in the junior in the east and maybe intermediate is played home and away. second string junior in the west may also be that way.

[Black Suir]

Originally Posted by scoring forward

Having gone to a lot of matches this year i wonder who do ye think will get football and hurling players players of the year adult and minor in the county

Hurler = Mullane
Footballer = Shane BRiggs,
YOung Hurler = Pauric Mahony (if still young enough to be includes) otherwise JAmie Barron or Bennett from Ballysaggart.
Young Footballer = Tadhg Burke of Clashmore, Kelly of Ring or Nugent from Rathgormack if he is eligable. Cant remember if he is a minor. Saw him in under 21 anyway.
SPecial Achievement usually goes to the Junior Hurling Champions so Ballinameela,
CLub of the year, Dungarvan did not have a bad idea.

[Black Suir]

Originally Posted by Deise Hurler

Agree 100% with this. Butlerstown went 3 and a half months without playing a championship match this summer. No reason why the western junior hurling championship couldn't have been run off quicker. Did the relegation match get played by the way as according to Saviours facebook page it was cancelled on tuesday?

It was held up for one reason because JErome Maher plays with Geraldines, a Junior CLub and it seems Davy did not want any of the lads playing while involved in the championship. It would be unfair of anyone to ask the club to play without him.

[Mountainlad]

Originally Posted by Black Suir

Hurler = Mullane
Footballer = Shane BRiggs,
YOung Hurler = Pauric Mahony (if still young enough to be includes) otherwise JAmie Barron or Bennett from Ballysaggart.
Young Footballer = Tadhg Burke of Clashmore, Kelly of Ring or Nugent from Rathgormack if he is eligable. Cant remember if he is a minor. Saw him in under 21 anyway.
SPecial Achievement usually goes to the Junior Hurling Champions so Ballinameela,
CLub of the year, Dungarvan did not have a bad idea.

Gavin Nugent of Rathgormack is indeed still a minor.

Good choice with Dungarvan as well.

[hardybuck]

Originally Posted by premierstone

No no big difference here, you are not comparing like with like, Rugby and Soccer are not covered by a parish rule and as a result generally have a larger pick/pool of players. You are suggesting that players only play their relevant grade or if they are playing an age group above they dont play for their own age group, well this would be the end of the small rural clubs who are already on their knees.

Not aimed at you Hardy but one thing that really annoys me is when people say '' oh but look at the way they do it in Soccer and Rugby'' they are not the same and they have many faults aswell, its like some GAA supporters have an inferiority complex to other sports at times, trust me as a follower of all three sports Rugby and Soccer could learn alot from the GAA and vice versa obviously.

Well to compare like with like, Dublin won the All Ireland football this year, got to an All Ireland hurling semi final, All Ireland U21 hurling and minor finalists, and minor football finalists.

While the freakish success of their county teams this year enforced a restructure of their hurling Championship to knockout after 2nd round, they still had Adult Leagues which offered about 15 games in total, with a game once a fortnight normally. Add to this a few ancillary district cup competitions, plus championship.

In Down you may play 18-20 league games before you add in Championship action.

Those two examples contrast with Waterford, where a senior player might get 5 league games and 5 championship games. If you aren't playing senior you won't have the opportunity to play in any league fixtures, and can expect literally months between games at various points in the season.

This is my real point: GAA in Waterford doesn't offer players nearly enough games. There is an assumption that players either do not want to or could not play a game every week. In other counties, and in other sports, we see that this is very much not the case.

[Black Suir]

The secretary of the Waterford County board says poor attendances at matches locally is one of the main reasons for their 120 thousand euro shortfall.The cost of all county teams came in at 652 thousand, down nearly 20 thousand on last year. 250 thousand was spent on senior hurling and 150 thousand on senior football.Timmy O'Keeffe says attendances at games in Waterford City are particularly low and that is something they need to address.

http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/waterford-news.html

Any reason why this is.

[hardybuck]

Originally Posted by Black Suir

The secretary of the Waterford County board says poor attendances at matches locally is one of the main reasons for their 120 thousand euro shortfall.The cost of all county teams came in at 652 thousand, down nearly 20 thousand on last year. 250 thousand was spent on senior hurling and 150 thousand on senior football.Timmy O'Keeffe says attendances at games in Waterford City are particularly low and that is something they need to address.

http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/waterford-news.html

Any reason why this is.

The standard is fairly poor across the board, and in my opinion entry is too expensive for some games.

People are also struggling to pay for fuel to get to games, and obviously many GAA people will have emigrated or moved to places like Dublin recently.

I'd like to see a few 'Saturday Night Lights' events in Fraher when a few decent senior double headers are staged to draw crowds in.

[Mountainlad]

Originally Posted by hardybuck

The standard is fairly poor across the board, and in my opinion entry is too expensive for some games.

People are also struggling to pay for fuel to get to games, and obviously many GAA people will have emigrated or moved to places like Dublin recently.

I'd like to see a few 'Saturday Night Lights' events in Fraher when a few decent senior double headers are staged to draw crowds in.

Hurling games?

Think it takes away from the quality of games when a game is played under lights, like the Tipp v Waterford league game this year. Some players couldn't see the ball coming down out of the sky!

[premierstone]

Originally Posted by hardybuck

Well to compare like with like, Dublin won the All Ireland football this year, got to an All Ireland hurling semi final, All Ireland U21 hurling and minor finalists, and minor football finalists.

While the freakish success of their county teams this year enforced a restructure of their hurling Championship to knockout after 2nd round, they still had Adult Leagues which offered about 15 games in total, with a game once a fortnight normally. Add to this a few ancillary district cup competitions, plus championship.

In Down you may play 18-20 league games before you add in Championship action.

Those two examples contrast with Waterford, where a senior player might get 5 league games and 5 championship games. If you aren't playing senior you won't have the opportunity to play in any league fixtures, and can expect literally months between games at various points in the season.

This is my real point: GAA in Waterford doesn't offer players nearly enough games. There is an assumption that players either do not want to or could not play a game every week. In other counties, and in other sports, we see that this is very much not the case.

Well I wasnt disagreeing with you on that point it was more the suggestion that players shouldnt be crossing over age groups, ie that if you are minor and playing senior then you shouldnt be playing minor etc. I think the example you gave was an u-20 rugby player who plays with the first team.

FWIW in Tipp we have a county senior league where clubs have to play without their county players and it runs in conjunction with teh national league. My own club had 13 competitive senior games last year which would be around the norm if not a little less than most.

[hardybuck]

Football & hurling. At this stage many players must spend as much time under lights over the course of the year than out in natural conditions.