[ambid]

Originally Posted by Lapin

Give him time.

Many a panellist in that studio had the same thought until Vinnie came in late to bite them in the butt.

I saw him in Dundrum town center a few weeks back and he seemed very annoyed then.

Mind you shopping does that to me too

[Jess16]

Originally Posted by ambid

Doesn't really matter. Ganley is right that the bank debt is the whole ballgame. This treaty is arguing about what direction to turn after we've hit an iceberg. This won't stop us sinking and it's just to keep the Germans happy that Europe does not have a chaotic approach to finance. It won't substantially either fix or worsen our problems.

Without wishing to sound at all rude, that's a very simplistic approach to what is essentially a Treaty with very complex implications. Any potential change to our Constitution is something with significant ramifications and not to be dismissed as irrelevant.

Not surprised Enda isn't making an appearance at TV3 -Vincent would eat him for breakfast!

[M cebee]

theres too many bluffers in this country
Politics and tv is full of them

[Kurz]

Originally Posted by Jess16

Without wishing to sound at all rude, that's a very simplistic approach to what is essentially a Treaty with very complex implications. Any potential change to our Constitution is something with significant ramifications and not to be dismissed as irrelevant.

These implications/ramifications are only relevant in the case that there's actually someone to answer to. This is the point. The European project and its institutions are on very shakey ground, the implications of this treaty are fleeting. I would say it could possibly become irrelevant but in this case, it already has.

[ambid]

Originally Posted by Jess16

Without wishing to sound at all rude, that's a very simplistic approach to what is essentially a Treaty with very complex implications. Any potential change to our Constitution is something with significant ramifications and not to be dismissed as irrelevant.

Not surprised Enda isn't making an appearance at TV3 -Vincent would eat him for breakfast!

Yeah but my point is the bank debt is our biggest single problem. We're not discussing that at all.

The debate on Europe I want is what Europe should look like - an intergovernmental alliance, a confederation, a full federation. We're not having that debate either. We're getting federation by increment and I'm not comfortable with that.

The treaty largely recommits us to commitments we have mainly already made in previous treaties, so I find it difficult to get excited about it.

Besides, as Bruton said on TWIP, twice in 30 years Irish givernments have brought this country to bankrupcy for short term electoral advantage. I don't trust the Irish political system to produce effective or competant government so forcing governments to adhere to sensible economic principles is something we probably need.

[Lapin]

Getting a bit tired of V.B.'s side swipes at Enda Kenny.

He's not coming on your show Vinnie - Now forget it and move on.

The world doesn't revolve around Ballymount between 11pm and midnight.

[tayto lover]

Mary-Lou's "tan" is wearing off. She doesn't look like a squaw anymore. Did very well tonight in fairness.

[dublinman1990]

The debate about the treaty in comparison to the Frontline is that's VB programme is much better. There is no need for shouting at all when discussing our future even though it is partly done already.

The debate from the CAP Farmer & rant from Pat Kenny was not needed at all tonight by any means.

[Da Shins Kelly]

Vincent was quite a feeble Devil's Advocate tonight. Didn't even seem very convinced of the 'yes' side himself.

[MrsD007]

I thought Gavin Titley was a really good panelist last night, he spoke a lot of sense. I hope Vinny invites him back again soon.

[steelcityblues]

Talking about the future of RTE tonight - Rabbitte and O'Cuiv among the guests.

Watched most of the Oireachtas committee today, and it was a waste of time. Much as I don't like RTE in general, gombeens like O'Cuiv and McGrath were trying to play the 'bad D4 securalists' card on RTE, and it went nowhere with the Chairman.

[M cebee]

Originally Posted by MrsD007

I thought Gavin Titley was a really good panelist last night, he spoke a lot of sense. I hope Vinny invites him back again soon.

Yes, he was insightful and shed some light on the debate

[MrsD007]

"What's the name of Jedward's song?".

Vinny is in flying form this evening

[dublinman1990]

VB asking Rabbitte & O'Cuiv to sing Waterline? That would be a laugh. It would be more interesting about that Joke Committee about RTE today IMO.

Imagine If Kenny & Gilmore sang Waterline. Cringe!

[Lapin]

Good question by VB to open the debate.

I spent the evening with one eye on the Eurovision and I didn't know the name of the song either.