[whydave]

Originally Posted by Blay

Nice to know what the real steelers think of us

some ''real steelers'' go both ways !

[whydave]

A man buys a lie detector robot that slaps people who lie. he decided to test it at dinner:

Dad: Son where were you today during school hours?
Son: At school (robot slaps son)

...Son: Okay I went to the movies!
Dad: Which one?
Son: Harry Potter (robot slaps again!)

Son: Okay I was watching porn.
Dad: What? When I was your age I didn't even know what porn was! (robot slaps dad)
Mom: Hahahahaha! after all he is your son!(robot slaps mom).

[Puding]

Originally Posted by Blay

Nice to know what the real steelers think of us

have to agree with andy on this one, actually rather a good post, all the points are good points and represent a point of view of the vast majority of people, airsoft is a minority and it is a little 'strange' , we ignore and laugh at views like this are your peril

we can not have it both ways, you can not encourage milsim and events like those put on my organiser like stirling, ta events and tier 1 and turn around and say it is not that 'military' , especially when airsoft is actually being used for training but police and military at this stage, can not shove our heads in the ground on this one

[Blay]

Originally Posted by Puding

we can not have it oth ways, you can not encourage milsim and events like those put on my organiser like stirling, ta events and tier 1 and turn around and say it is not that 'military' especially when airsoft is actually being used for training but police and military at this stage, can not shove our heads in the ground on this one

Airsoft is indeed used by militaries/police but to say that airsoft, even in milsim form can prepare people for real combat is crazy..to me anyway. We've always pushed the opposite on radio shows etc. so to follow with the idea it is 'training' people for actual combat is making a liar out of ourselves really. I'm not saying such ideas should be maligned or ignored but they should be addressed with a degree of common sense.

[Puding]

Im not saying to fall in line, we just have to acknowledge that it is a valid concern of people, and tbh i would put large sums of money on this view point far out numbering those with a positive angle on airsoft.

It is the chick and an egg thing and the same arguments also get dragged up with videos games in a way, personally im of the opinion that violent games and airsoft do not make 'unstable people' but they defiantly do attract them like moths to a flame, and tbh it is something as a community we should be aware of.

We get defensive of airsoft, and we have a tendency to ignore some issues and apply the rose tinted glasses. At times we start to believe it all and that can be dangerous as we can get complacent.

[Blay]

Originally Posted by Puding

Im not saying to fall in line, we just have to acknowledge that it is a valid concern of people, and tbh i would put large sums of money on this view point far out numbering those with a positive angle on airsoft.

It is the chick and an egg thing and the same arguments also get dragged up with videos games in a way, personally im of the opinion that violent games and airsoft do not make 'unstable people' but they defiantly do attract them like moths to a flame, and tbh it is something as a community we should be aware of.

We get defensive of airsoft, and we have a tendency to ignore some issues and apply the rose tinted glasses. At times we start to believe it all and that can be dangerous as we can get complacent.

I agree with all your points, 'fall in line' wasn't really the correct term to use there, meant more that to allow such ideas to spread without us at least trying to give our side of it would be wrong.

[UnkieKev]

Originally Posted by Blay

Nice to know what the real steelers think of us

What a muppet...

[Puding]

Originally Posted by Blay

I agree with all your points, 'fall in line' wasn't really the correct term to use there, meant more that to allow such ideas to spread without us at least trying to give our side of it would be wrong.

i would agree, unfortunately it is not easy just to dismiss it, the strongest defence again this is actually to actively show that we are a responsible community, this is far easy said than done of course

[Dogwatch]

It is a very myopic view of airsoft.

To say it is preparing young people for combat is taking it a bit too far, because if it was true,
the authorities here would ban it immediately and armed forces around the world would not have use very large,
expensive training facilities to properly prepare their soldiers/marines/sailors and airmen for the real thing.

[Steve]

Airsoft has the distinct advantage over RS in that if you get shot then you don't die, you respawn as the gamers would say.

I'm sure if any of you felt genuine fear of death in a game then you would use vastly different tactics. So, no, in general, Airsoft cannot really prepare you for real life military situations unless it's conducted as part of a *real* military training exercise (which would be a bit pointless given the range of Airsoft guns unless it was close quarters training).

Just MHO.

[Stealthirl]

Well i spent a hour today plinking with 3 Guards in the garden.
They all want to come out with me to a game now

1 was very interested in the mp7 and shotgun


Oh and

[gerrowadat]

Originally Posted by Steve

Airsoft has the distinct advantage over RS in that if you get shot then you don't die, you respawn as the gamers would say.

I'm sure if any of you felt genuine fear of death in a game then you would use vastly different tactics. So, no, in general, Airsoft cannot really prepare you for real life military situations unless it's conducted as part of a *real* military training exercise (which would be a bit pointless given the range of Airsoft guns unless it was close quarters training).

Just MHO.

However, Ireland does have funny laws which are designed around preventing people from doing drills or practicing for a specific event. It's why a lot of events (i.e. those not run by mongs) use fictional situations. The could I remember from time on the IAA that used real situations ended up raising questions from inside and outside airsoft.

I have to agree on the muscle memory thing. I fired a RS tavor a few months back, and the feel of the stanag mags and reloading while maintaining trigger disciple and firing just came naturally, despite never having fired a real assault rifle before.

[F.U.B.A.R]

Originally Posted by andy_g

I think I actually want to thank that post, He sums it up fairly well to a point

look tbh he's way off base the only tactics that work for airsoft is shoot first and ask questions later and the mussle memory is useless as theres massive differences between real steel and aeg's I know as Iam military besides if a youth whants to be militarised all they have to do is join RDF although I do agree to some aspects of this stupid rant

[F.U.B.A.R]

also my idea and experience of 'military' is a dissaplined 24hr routine... thats just non-existent in airsoft

[moggser]

<SNIP> "Rape" pics removed, Read the OP. content is to be SFW

hmmm my rape pic was worse then post #22 in this thread where that escaped the snip yeah

nothing against Magic Irl