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10-08-2011, 16:32   #1
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Flat rate Single Farm Payment

I see the Farmers Journal for tomorrow are saying a Flat rate SFP from as little as €70 a hectare on their radio ad via facebook. It'll be very interesting to read the detail tomorrow!
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10-08-2011, 18:02   #2
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I see the Farmers Journal for tomorrow are saying a Flat rate SFP from as little as €70 a hectare on their radio ad via facebook. It'll be very interesting to read the detail tomorrow!
your are scaring me
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10-08-2011, 19:38   #3
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I think the flat rate is proposed to begin in 2020 and the rates arent set afaik. We are sorted budget wise till 2018 i think and renegotiations begin again in about 5 years. And that sort of timetable and scare story will repeat at 5 year intervals
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They won't bring it down to €70/h because farmers would just end up leaving them keep it and where would that leave cross compliance and all the rest of the red tape?
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I think the flat rate is proposed to begin in 2020 and the rates arent set afaik. We are sorted budget wise till 2018 i think and renegotiations begin again in about 5 years. And that sort of timetable and scare story will repeat at 5 year intervals
So is the current SFP setup set to continue until 2018?

As a new entrant doesnt really suit me if it did, but if thats the way it is, thats the way it is...
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11-08-2011, 10:54   #6
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There is a lot of detail missing from this thread so before anyone panics, have a read of today's FJ. It is relatively good news:

It is proposed that everyone will have a base payment of €70 per hectare.

There will be a "Greening Payment" worth up to €81 per hectare.

Some of the payments may be based on historic payments, but there will be caps on the amount of SFP which is bad news for those who currently receive huge SFP's (Larry Goodman will be at a loss here)

There will be be coupling scheme options - I assume this means coupling payments to the amount of stock that you have.

IFJ states "farmers with low/no eititlements win. Farmers with high entitlements may suffer big losses"

There will also be a national reserve for new (young) farmers.

I advise that you read the small print. These are proposals rather than actual approved measures.

The proposed start year is 2020. I assume that the payment system will continue the way that it is up to then??
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As with most things in life the devil will be in the detail whenever that is eventually made available.
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Some of the payments may be based on historic payments, but there will be caps on the amount of SFP which is bad news for those who currently receive huge SFP's
So that would make more small farmers in the country.I thought they would be looking to the NZ/OZ route,less farmers bigger farms. I'm glad its favoring the small men.
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I look like some mug as I started farming in 04 aged 40 and missed out on entitlements , didnt qualify for national reserve ,and will have to wait until 2020 to get a single payment, Crazy !
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They are only proposals at the minute but indicate the way the powers that be want to move. I would have no problem with moving to flat rate and supplementary payments for other measures, if only to see the look on the faces of guys gambling that it was going to be coupled to animal numbers again
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There seems to be confusion on this thread between the CAP proposals 2013-2020 and post-2020.... very different beasts. I think that the Farmers Journal is referring to the post 2020 proposals. No point in looking that far ahead until we all get through 2013-2020 first.
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There seems to be confusion on this thread between the CAP proposals 2013-2020 and post-2020.... very different beasts. I think that the Farmers Journal is referring to the post 2020 proposals. No point in looking that far ahead until we all get through 2013-2020 first.
Sure we have already been told that the current SFP structure is going to remain in place until at least 2015. Have there been any announcements on what will happen from 2016 to 2019 or is it likely that the current sfp system will just be rolled over???
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Sure we have already been told that the current SFP structure is going to remain in place until at least 2015
When and where was that announced?

If memory serves me right, it was announced that the current system will remain in place for 2013 and there is a possibility that it will be continued to 2014.

I never seen 2015 mentioned.
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When and where was that announced?

If memory serves me right, it was announced that the current system will remain in place for 2013 and there is a possibility that it will be continued to 2014.

I never seen 2015 mentioned.
I heard it at our last suckler discussion group meeting. I thought it had been announced?? Maybe not.
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There seems to be confusion on this thread between the CAP proposals 2013-2020 and post-2020.... very different beasts. I think that the Farmers Journal is referring to the post 2020 proposals. No point in looking that far ahead until we all get through 2013-2020 first.
After reading through the Farmers Journal for a second time today , The Journal is specifically referring to a leaked Document on Cap 2013 reform. They do say that the deadline for the new system to be in place is 1 January 2014. The only mention of any year beyond this is the push to have a flat rate payment by 2019. They also talk about transitional payments but do not put a timeframe on these.
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