[AnnyHallsal]

Originally Posted by stupidusername

how is questioning the applicants going to stop the companies taking advantage?

Because applicants would be ineligible to accept a role they already have experience of.

[stupidusername]

Originally Posted by AnnyHallsal

Because applicants would be ineligible to accept a role they already have experience of.

right... i get you now.but couldn't they just lie...?

[AnnyHallsal]

Originally Posted by stupidusername

right... i get you now.but couldn't they just lie...?

All unemployed jobseekers are supposed to be interviewed by FAS. At that time they're asked to discuss their education and employment histories and how they intend to find work. If this process was conducted before jobseekers were allowed to apply for JobBridge it could help prevent experienced but desperate candidates taking roles intended for the inexperienced.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by stupidusername

It's not a JobBridge internship.

It's still an internship, ie: working for experience, that should have been a regular paid position.

[stupidusername]

Originally Posted by AnnyHallsal

All unemployed jobseekers are supposed to be interviewed by FAS. At that time they're asked to discuss their education and employment histories and how they intend to find work. If this process was conducted before jobseekers were allowed to apply for JobBridge it could help prevent experienced but desperate candidates taking roles intended for the inexperienced.

Well come on now, we all know what a joke FAS is. I registered with them when I finished school in 2002, had the sit down with them, was asked what kind of work I was looking for etc. The only thing I ever heard from them was last year (9 years later), asking me if I was interested in a temporary clerical position in Tipperary. Despite the fact that I was down as being in a WPP. Obviously there's a whole crap load of things about the system that don't work.

Originally Posted by Raekwon

It's still an internship, ie: working for experience, that should have been a regular paid position.

yeah true, just that this is about JobBridge internships is all.

[AnnyHallsal]

Originally Posted by stupidusername

Well come on now, we all know what a joke FAS is. I registered with them when I finished school in 2002, had the sit down with them, was asked what kind of work I was looking for etc. The only thing I ever heard from them was last year (9 years later), asking me if I was interested in a temporary clerical position in Tipperary. Despite the fact that I was down as being in a WPP. Obviously there's a whole crap load of things about the system that don't work.



yeah true, just that this is about JobBridge internships is all.

That's no excuse. FAS, Solas, whatever it's called now, and JobBridge are both government bodies. They could work together to monitor and manage the process more efficiently. It's not rocket science.

[Princess Consuela Bananahammock]

Originally Posted by yore

Linked to my previous post, do you think that going out and doing that work had zero value (other than wages)? i.e if someone had offered to give you the same amount of money in pocket money, that you'd have turned out as well if you had taken that pocket money and quit after one hour?

Abso****inglutely it had no value. I worked there for the money. That is all.

My point about Intel/Ebay/Google is that they come to Ireland to avail of the well educated workforce (plus geographic position, plus language, plus business environment). But the education is a factor. It is an implicit subsidy to the employer. People on here moan about the multinationals being subsidised in the form of jobsbridge, well I'm just pointing out that their education was also a subsidy to their employer!

Ebay et al, fair enough, because there's a chance the intern might learn somethng useful, but why do you expect educated people to work for peanuts, so that they can learn how to stack shelves?

If we had a decent education system that actually thought lifeskills befoer the leaving cert we'd have 17/18 year olds ready to enter the fully paid workforce as soon as the finished the leaving.




I'm not arguing the point, I'm only extending their arguments to show how ridiculous they are.[/QUOTE]

[stupidusername]

Originally Posted by AnnyHallsal

That's no excuse. FAS, Solas, whatever it's called now, and JobBridge are both government bodies. They could work together to monitor and manage the process more efficiently. It's not rocket science.

It's not an excuse, it's just the reality.

[AnnyHallsal]

Originally Posted by stupidusername

It's not an excuse, it's just the reality.

Well that laissez-faire attitude won't get us anywhere. I'd rather object to inefficiency and ineptitude and expect semi-state bodies or whatever they are to fulfil their function.

[stupidusername]

Originally Posted by AnnyHallsal

Well that laissez-faire attitude won't get us anywhere. I'd rather object to inefficiency and ineptitude and expect semi-state bodies or whatever they are to fulfil their function.

Object away. I don't have a laissez-faire attitude, I'm saying that is the way it is.

[yore]

Originally Posted by Ikky Poo2

Abso****inglutely it had no value. I worked there for the money. That is all

I didn't ask for your motivations. Just whether you'd thought it had value. I take it then that if you had kids and they hit 17/18/19 then you'd hand them out money (assuming you could afford it) rather than encourage them to go out and earn it to learn the value of it?

And you never leveraged off that first work in getting subsequent work, be it via references or just listing the experience on your CV?

Originally Posted by Ikky Poo2

Ebay et al, fair enough, because there's a chance the intern might learn somethng useful, but why do you expect educated people to work for peanuts, so that they can learn how to stack shelves?

Right on dude. Stacking shelves is for "for-den-ers" and poor simple people. Not for superior, educated, beings like your good self

Originally Posted by Ikky Poo2

If we had a decent education system that actually thought lifeskills befoer the leaving cert we'd have 17/18 year olds ready to enter the fully paid workforce as soon as the finished the leaving.

As opposed to one that just teaches theoretical spelling and grammar. Education systems can't think....... How would they teach these life-skills? Hmm, perhaps there should be a transition year.....and what will the kids do then?....I know, we can send them out on work experience .

[AnnyHallsal]

Originally Posted by stupidusername

Object away. I don't have a laissez-faire attitude, I'm saying that is the way it is.

Sure, but I thought we were discussing how to improve something. Otherwise we might as well accept JobBridge the way it is.

[stupidusername]

Originally Posted by AnnyHallsal

Sure, but I thought we were discussing how to improve something. Otherwise we might as well accept JobBridge the way it is.

Well I suppose I meant more realistic ideas. like I said, something like adding a condition to the internship contract, or something more tangible. Overhauling a state body isn't really that realistic.

[AnnyHallsal]

Originally Posted by stupidusername

Well I suppose I meant more realistic ideas. like I said, something like adding a condition to the internship contract, or something more tangible. Overhauling a state body isn't really that realistic.

I suggested a simple vetting procedure. There are no end of conditions in the contract. They don't seem to have helped much.

[Princess Consuela Bananahammock]

Originally Posted by yore

I didn't ask for your motivations. Just whether you'd thought it had value. I take it then that if you had kids and they hit 17/18/19 then you'd hand them out money (assuming you could afford it) rather than encourage them to go out and earn it to learn the value of it?

Not what I said.

The value in the job was purely financial, that is all. If you are implying that a paid job is its own reward, then you are missing the pint of the jobreach: it's NOT a paid job.

And you never leveraged off that first work in getting subsequent work, be it via references or just listing the experience on your CV?

I hope not. I was studying while working there and the job that followed it was after I finisheed the course. I would like to think that they hired me because of my educaion and not because I could stack shelves (which, surprisingly enough, was not part of the job discription).

Right on dude. Stacking shelves is for "for-den-ers" and poor simple people. Not for superior, educated, beings like your good self

This is actually you point. You said that companies come to Ireland because of its educated workforce. Not for the for-den-ers (your word) who did a supermarket internship.

As opposed to one that just teaches theoretical spelling and grammar. Education systems can't think....... How would they teach these life-skills? Hmm, perhaps there should be a transition year.....and what will the kids do then?....I know, we can send them out on work experience .

I said life-skills. No actually, you said life-skills. Now you've changed it to job-skills. And I don't believe transition year students work more than about 5 to 10 hours a week.

Overall, your argument is horribly inconsistant: you say we attract multinationals because of our education, but then say that they need to do random internships before they can be hired. You say it teaches lifeskills, because our (apparently very attractive) education system doesn't. Well, we're not very well educated by the time we hit 18 if we then need to do irrelevant internships* on top of said education.

*Speficially irrelevant. I have no problem with internships if it's in a career that someone is already dedicated to. For example, a trainee journalist interning in a newspaper makes sense. A trainee journalist interning in Tesco is a joke.