Originally Posted by ctrl-alt-delete
My point all along has been, that you ruled Yakubu out of being "an established Premier League player" to suit what you were saying about Wolves, in order to be able to use it against Kean and Venky's. My definition and yours must differ, as I would say he is an established Premier League player, not to worry anyways - I don't want to keep going on about it.
I never wanted to compare the two players ability wise or form wise, I only wanted to point out that i found it laughable that you can call one established and not the other. Established for me is about been there and done that, as opposed to never playing in the Premier League before like Goodwillie.
As for Crouch, in my opinion he was not going to get game time at Spurs this season, The signing of Adebayor pushed him further down the pecking order and is much the same as being forced out for me. Spurs were never going to reject that sort of money for him, they could have had £40 million for Modric according to Harry so I don't think it was a case of them needing the money.
As for the Wolves thing, the last i'll say on that is the results and standings after 3 games cannot be used as a measure of a club stabilising.
As for Blackburn, I have always said, in the past 4 windows I'm sure that my priority would be a certain type of striker. I think we have enough creativity in the likes of Hoilett, Pedersen, Olsson, Dunn and Formica. I'm hoping to see more of Olsson being used as a left midfielder now we have Dann. Maybe we don't have the type of player that Adam or Taarbat is, but I think we have enough creativity on the wings.
My point about the money we spent, in retrospect was that if we knew Samba was staying, I would rather we would have spent that £7 million on Long who was available and fits the need for me, than Dann. If however it was between SWP or Crouch v Dann - I would have chosen Dann all day long.
Anyways moving on to the match at the weekend, what would be your starting line up against Fulham?
I'd like to see Goodwillie given a go from the start up front, I like what I have seen of him so far. For me I would go with the team i listed a few pages back.
It appears our understanding is different as I'd see an established PL player as a player who is still performing or has performed recently in the Premier League. Yakubu hasn't performed in three seasons. Just like I wouldn't call Benjani an established PL player, I wouldn't call Yakubu one. Yes, these lads have been there and done that but not for a number of seasons/years. You said you don't want to keeping going on about it yet you go on to state that "I only wanted to point out that i found it laughable that you can call one established and not the other". Again, I'll state my understanding of being an established PL player is someone who is still performing or has performed recently in the Premier League. In that regard, Crouch and Yakubu are worlds apart as I have pointed out to you on numerous occasions.
Yes, Crouch was not going to get game time. I have agreed with you there. Crouch was not going to get game time though because Spurs signed Adebayor, who it could be argued is one of the top strikers in Europe on his day. He is a player who is worth 20 million to 30 million and there are few players like him out there. He spent half of last season at Real Madrid and performed well there. There's no shame in being knocked down the pecking order by Adebayor IMO. As for comparing it to the Modric situation, Spurs do need cash to invest in the club. Hence Harry has let players like Jenas and Hutton leave. He could not afford to let Crouch leave until he had Adebayor. He has said that in the links I posted despite you stating Harry has wanted rid of him for a while which I have shown to be totally untrue. Modric was kept because he is integral to their game. No point letting him go for 40 million when you can't replace him for that. Crouch has been replaced by Adebayor though so Spurs could afford to let him go and the fact that clubs like Stoke, Sunderland and QPR were after him for 10 million shows he is in demand. I don't think he would have been let go had Adebayor not been signed and that is reflected in Harry's comments in June.
I'm beginning to wonder are you the master of contradicting yourself. You state in one post that you expect Wolves to be alot more solid this season, as do I, yet you then go on to state "As for the Wolves thing, the last i'll say on that is the results and standings after 3 games cannot be used as a measure of a club stabilising". So which is it? You either agree that Wolves will be more solid or you don't think 3 games can be used as a measure of a club stabilising itself?
Hoilett is performing well as a left winger so I don't see the need for Olsson to move there. In fact, we have an abundance of riches on the left wing with Olsson and Hoilett. If Kean wanted to sign a defender, he should have signed a right back. Yes, he signed an unknown Brazilian on a free but, as with the message I've been trying to beat home, established players are needed.
I would have chosen Crouch above Dann. It's clear we need some creativity up front and a player who can bring others into the game. Crouch could have held up the ball for the likes of Hoilett, Formica, Olsson and Dunn coming forward. We have plenty of pace to get players quickly up the pitch on the counter. We also have plenty of players capable of getting crosses into the box for Crouch. Our problem last season was not scoring goals rather than conceding them IMO.
My starting line up vs Fulham:
Salgado/Ribeiro - Dann - Samba - Olsson
N'Zonzi - Pedersen - Petrovic/Grella
Hoilett - Formica
I'd love for Salgado to be dropped but I'm not sure about Ribeiro either. Salgado should probably be kept there for an away game and Ribeiro tried in some cup games or maybe coming on in a game where we are winning (if that ever happens anytime soon) to gauge if he is up to it.
Other than that, I think we should be going for three holding midfielders as we are away with Petrovic getting a chance if he's up to it. Hoilett and Formica can then play behind the striker. I still think the lineup shows Dann was not needed. Givet is left on the bench because I can't justify dropping Hoilett or Olsson on the left.
What team did you list a few pages back?