[paul26]

Originally Posted by mikom

Time to follow the money?

Just imagine how much Ireland could make off this if it was legalized, we could get a head on the market before other countries do. It will be legalized sooner or later, so why not get a head start while were in the recession.

[tayto lover]

Originally Posted by ciaran67

Obviously never been stoned

I don't need to use banned substances to enjoy myself. I have managed for a lot of years to have a good time without illegal drugs, thanks.

[charlemont]

Originally Posted by tayto lover

I don't need to use banned substances to enjoy myself. I have managed for a lot of years to have a good time without illegal drugs, thanks.

I bet you would be terrified at the thought of yourself being high ?

[tayto lover]

Originally Posted by charlemont

I bet you would be terrified at the thought of yourself being high ?

Natural highs are the "in" thing now. A good performance on the golf course does it for me.

[charlemont]

Originally Posted by tayto lover

Natural highs are the "in" thing now. A good performance on the golf course does it for me.

I wont argue with that, In a perfect world nobody should have the need to get high but the in the same world we should respect someone else's right to get high as long as he/she isn't a danger to others.

[tayto lover]

Originally Posted by charlemont

I wont argue with that, In a perfect world nobody should have the need to get high but the in the same world we should respect someone else's right to get high as long as he/she isn't a danger to others.

I agree with some of that but i would not like to see anyone support drug dealers and help them make a fortune out of other peoples' suffering or addictions.

[charlemont]

Originally Posted by tayto lover

I agree with some of that but i would not like to see anyone support drug dealers and help them make a fortune out of other peoples' suffering or addictions.

Personally Id like to be able to buy my Hash out of a pharmacy or cafe, Taxes could then be collected and used in Drug education and rehabilitation, Plus the products themselves would be cleaner especially with regard to such drugs as Heroin and Cocaine.

[mikom]

Originally Posted by tayto lover

I agree with some of that but i would not like to see anyone support drug dealers and help them make a fortune out of other peoples' suffering or addictions.

If you support prohibition then you enable this.

[paul26]

Originally Posted by tayto lover

I agree with some of that but i would not like to see anyone support drug dealers and help them make a fortune out of other peoples' suffering or addictions.

Now that sounds like a good reason to legalise it to me, dont you think. Wont be supporting drug dealers then when i buy my weed.

[tayto lover]

Originally Posted by paul26

Now that sounds like a good reason to legalise it to me, dont you think. Wont be supporting drug dealers then when i buy my weed.

If it was legalizes and distributed through chemist shops would that work ?
Would people buy stronger stuff from dealers and try to say they got it from the chemists ?
Would there be an age limit on who could purchase it ?
Would there be penalties for people purchasing from chemists and then supplying youngsters ?
Would the drug dealers go away or sell something stronger ?
Would our health bills rise through extra addictions ?
Should legalizing cannabis be tried on a European level for a few years and revert back if it does not work ?

I think i know the answers to many of those questions.

[ciaran67]

Originally Posted by tayto lover

I don't need to use banned substances to enjoy myself. I have managed for a lot of years to have a good time without illegal drugs, thanks.

You should try humour, its very addictive.

Originally Posted by tayto lover

I agree with some of that but i would not like to see anyone support drug dealers and help them make a fortune out of other peoples' suffering or addictions.

Never been in a pub then?

[shebafay]

Originally Posted by champski

Maybe it's genetic and not cannabis related

yes, there may be a genetic component but...... cannabis use exacerbates the psychosis.

[HarryPotter41]

Originally Posted by charlemont

I wont argue with that, In a perfect world nobody should have the need to get high but the in the same world we should respect someone else's right to get high as long as he/she isn't a danger to others.

Unfortunately you don't know if they are going to be a danger to others until AFTER they get high. Therein lies the problem.

[mikom]

Originally Posted by shebafay

yes, there may be a genetic component but...... cannabis use exacerbates the psychosis.

Tests lend truth to the claim that those who already had psychosis were actually self-medicating with cannabis.

a 2005 study of 1,500 subjects that appeared in the scientific journal Addiction reported that the development of “psychotic symptoms in those who had never used cannabis before the onset of (such) symptoms … predicted future cannabis use.”

Other studies reinforcing Earleywine’s ‘self-medication’ theory include a 2008 study published in the International Journal of Mental Health Nursing which found that schizophrenics typically report using cannabis to reduce anxiety and “improve their mental state.”

Recently, a 2010 report in the journalSchizophrenia Research found that schizophrenic patients with a history of cannabis use demonstrate higher levels of cognitive performance compared to nonusers. Researchers in that study concluded, “The results of the present analysis suggest that (cannabis use) in patients with SZ (schizophrenia) is associated with better performance on measures of processing speed and verbal skills. These data are consistent with prior reports indicating that SZ patients with a history of (cannabis use) have less severe cognitive deficits than SZ patients without comorbid (cannabis use).”

Oh, and also....

authors of a 2009 study published in Schizophrenia Research said definitively that increased cannabis use by the public has not been followed by a proportional rise in diagnoses of schizophrenia or psychosis. Investigators at the Keele University Medical School in Britain compared trends in marijuana use and incidences of schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005. Researchers reported that the "incidence and prevalence of schizophrenia and psychoses were either stable or declining" during this period, even the use of cannabis among the general population was rising.

"[T]he expected rise in diagnoses of schizophrenia and psychoses did not occur over a 10 year period," they concluded. "This study does not therefore support the specific causal link between cannabis use and incidence of psychotic disorders.

“The bottom line here is no one knows exactly what causes schizophrenia, and scientists have been looking for decades,” she says. “The best explanation is a ‘stress diathesis’ model, where people have a genetic tendency toward schizophrenic illness, and then something triggers its appearance. But unless you have the genes, you won't get the illness. Cannabis won't change one’s genetic predisposition.”

http://www.alternet.org/media/151776...illness?page=1

Long story short............ If you have a mental illness don't blame it on the cannabis, as you'd be better served looking to your parents and their parents before them first.

[HarryPotter41]

Originally Posted by mikom

Tests lend truth to the claim that those who already had psychosis were actually self-medicating with cannabis.



Oh, and also....



http://www.alternet.org/media/151776...illness?page=1

Long story short............ If you have a mental illness don't blame it on the cannabis, as you'd be better served looking to your parents and their parents before them first.

What though if the use of cannibas exacerbates that mental illness?