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07-05-2011, 12:15   #1
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Neil Best Hits Out at Kidney

IRELAND flanker Neil Best has hit out at national coach Declan Kidney for "not bothering" with English-based players such as James Downey and Roger Wilson, writes Hugh Farrelly. Best won 18 caps for Ireland between 2005 and 2007, but has not been in the international frame since Kidney took over in 2008. "Roger Wilson and James Downey are playing in a Heineken Cup final against Leinster, but neither of them have been getting a look-in," said Best. "It seems you're not going to get a look-in if you're playing outside Ireland." Meanwhile, All Blacks winger Joe Rokocoko has issued a come and get me call to Europe after failing to agree a deal to stay in New Zealand. "I will probably go somewhere, looking to balance some good money with a good lifestyle," said Rokocoko.
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wilson has been involved with ireland camps/tours before. mainly when he was in ireland.

i think he even went to the churchhill cup. the back row is very competitive. he has a huge chance when he comes up against heaslip in the final.

i think international defences will look at downey and smile
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I think Wilson has a full cap
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Yeah, was in 2005 against Japan.
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I actually can't seem to find anything in the article that shows Best 'Hitting out at Kidney'. He simply states as factual that Deccie hasn't made use of two Irish players who are playing well and for a successful club. Seems fair comment to me. Neither would get ahead of the incumbents but Wilson in particular would be a good squad player. Downey plays like Maggs used to do for Ireland. We have better options at 12 in for example, Darcy, McFadden, Spence, Wallace, Marshall and no doubt a few more.
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Wilson would have been a good option to have around because for years we were light at number 8. But we have gone past the days of Wally covering 8, SOB is a better option there than Wilson is for example whilst Leamy, Muldoon and Coughlan can cover pretty well too. Then you have Ruddock and Henry who are both young and Ruddock in particular has the potential to have a long career in green. If Jamie was injured, I would personally move SOB to 8, and bring Jennings into the picture if Ferris was injured. If Jamie and SOB were injured then you would look at bringing him over as a specialist maybe but I reckon Kidney would probably just use Leamy. As for Downey, well when Fergus McFadden cannot make a matchday squad regularly for Ireland then how could you justify bringing him over? Theres a big gap in class between the two IMO. Maggs I read recently is still playing for some team in the championship though, was a good player in his time. Fair play to him for keeping going this long!
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Neil Best must feel bad now that he's been shown up as such an average player. Probably wants to compensate by becoming a shock-jock journo when he retires.

Not looking forward to it.
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Wilson would have been a good option to have around because for years we were light at number 8. But we have gone past the days of Wally covering 8, SOB is a better option there than Wilson is for example whilst Leamy, Muldoon and Coughlan can cover pretty well too. Then you have Ruddock and Henry who are both young and Ruddock in particular has the potential to have a long career in green. If Jamie was injured, I would personally move SOB to 8, and bring Jennings into the picture if Ferris was injured. If Jamie and SOB were injured then you would look at bringing him over as a specialist maybe but I reckon Kidney would probably just use Leamy. As for Downey, well when Fergus McFadden cannot make a matchday squad regularly for Ireland then how could you justify bringing him over? Theres a big gap in class between the two IMO. Maggs I read recently is still playing for some team in the championship though, was a good player in his time. Fair play to him for keeping going this long!

Maggs was with Rotherham and he took a coach role with someone else at the start of the season.

[EDIT] Wiki says it's Mosely.

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Maggs was with Rotherham and he took a coach role with someone else at the start of the season.

[EDIT] Wiki says it's Mosely.
He's had to deal with the premature death of a young daughter through leukemia.
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Neil Best must feel bad now that he's been shown up as such an average player. Probably wants to compensate by becoming a shock-jock journo when he retires.

Not looking forward to it.
I really, really dislike Neil Best. A pure header, who had some talent, but is by all accounts a drinker, and by my account an eejit hothead.
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I really, really dislike Neil Best. A pure header, who had some talent, but is by all accounts a drinker, and by my account an eejit hothead.
Good summary.
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He made no friends at the Churchill Cup. I hear and management were not impressed with his attitude. He captained them for 50 minutes of the last game but demanded to lift the Cup ahead of the actual captain after the tournament as he was 'a more senior player' on the international scene - leading to a few words im told.
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He made no friends at the Churchill Cup. I hear and management were not impressed with his attitude. He captained them for 50 minutes of the last game but demanded to lift the Cup ahead of the actual captain after the tournament as he was 'a more senior player' on the international scene - leading to a few words im told.
that says it all
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It's pretty much been accepted over the last 10 years that playing in England will be viewed as a negative with regard to your Ireland chances. Only Geordan Murphy and Simon Easterby has won a significant number of caps while based away from Ireland.

How is Kidney doing anything different to the previous Irish coaches and how is this a story?

The Roger Wilson argument is especially redundant when you have Heaslip, Ferris, O'Brien, Wallace, Jennings, Leamy, Coghlan, Henry, Ruddock etc etc etc available in the backrow. Let him come home and win his place at Ulster before he talks about Ireland.
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It's pretty much been accepted over the last 10 years that playing in England will be viewed as a negative with regard to your Ireland chances. Only Geordan Murphy and Simon Easterby has won a significant number of caps while based away from Ireland.

How is Kidney doing anything different to the previous Irish coaches and how is this a story?

The Roger Wilson argument is especially redundant when you have Heaslip, Ferris, O'Brien, Wallace, Jennings, Leamy, Coghlan, Henry, Ruddock etc etc etc available in the backrow. Let him come home and win his place at Ulster before he talks about Ireland.
Not forgetting McLaughlin and Ryan
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