[KeithAFC]

Originally Posted by Coillte_Bhoy

So where did i mention a conspiracy then? Typical, you make ridiculous statements and wont (cant?) back them up.

I seen the 'Establishment' mentioned and i thought that was the whole conspiracy theory.

[KeithAFC]

Back to the game. I thought that full back had a good game. He seems to be doing well for celtic. But i just hope the actions of Lennon and Ally don't take make people not notice such performances as it would be a shame.

[PauloMN]

Originally Posted by KeithAFC

Back to the game. I thought that full back had a good game. He seems to be doing well for celtic. But i just hope the actions of Lennon and Ally don't take make people not notice such performances as it would be a shame.

Did it take you two days to finally realise that Alistair actually had some involvement in the incidents also?

Which full back are you talking about by the way, Izaguirre or goal-scorer Wilson, as both piddled all over the Rangers?

[Eirebear]

Jesus who crashed this thread?

[PauloMN]

Originally Posted by Eirebear

Jesus who crashed this thread?

Is it any different to any other Celtic/Rangers thread?

Usually goes something like:
- Here we go, c'mon bhoys/bears
- F**kin ref
- NEVER a penalty
- Diving wee scrote
- Lenny/Sally/Wally are b**tards
- Diouf is a <insert insult here>
- Celtic moaning to the SFA again I see
- Establishment helping the Rangers again I see
- GIRFUY
- etc. etc. etc.

[Eirebear]

Meh, fair point.

Maybe i'm just over it abnormally quickly this time around.

To be honest i think everyone else might need to aswell, the over reaction from the media/police/Scottish Government has been mental.

[PauloMN]

Originally Posted by Eirebear

Meh, fair point.

Maybe i'm just over it abnormally quickly this time around.

To be honest i think everyone else might need to aswell, the over reaction from the media/police/Scottish Government has been mental.

I can see both sides of it tbh. The carry on on Wed night can fuel violence in an already tense atmosphere. The police were saying before that game that the violence around OF games had been on the increase, the last thing needed is players and management staff acting like kids in these games.

I can see how a big deal is being made of it and I've no problem with punishments being dished out to all those involved.

Lennon needs to calm the temper and not get involved in spats with players and other managers, simple as that. Ally was guilty of some of that too mind, and he needs to get punished also. Diouf should be banned for a few games for his carry on with the crowd after he was sent off, and Bougherra should be banned for getting involved with the ref after his red card.

They need to clean up the OF games, and not tolerate that ****e from managers and players in this fixture in particular. The fixture can still be plenty tense and enjoyable for everyone without that ****e that just winds up the idiots on both sides.

[Eirebear]

Originally Posted by PauloMN

I can see both sides of it tbh. The carry on on Wed night can fuel violence in an already tense atmosphere. The police were saying before that game that the violence around OF games had been on the increase, the last thing needed is players and management staff acting like kids in these games.

I can see how a big deal is being made of it and I've no problem with punishments being dished out to all those involved.

Lennon needs to calm the temper and not get involved in spats with players and other managers, simple as that. Ally was guilty of some of that too mind, and he needs to get punished also. Diouf should be banned for a few games for his carry on with the crowd after he was sent off, and Bougherra should be banned for getting involved with the ref after his red card.

They need to clean up the OF games, and not tolerate that ****e from managers and players in this fixture in particular. The fixture can still be plenty tense and enjoyable for everyone without that ****e that just winds up the idiots on both sides.

Dont get me wrong, i think all the players and management involved should be punished for their part in it, and i understand the theory that their behaviour can fuel violence etc off field. Especially the managers, as they are the ones supposed to be showing an example.

For me though its always a bit of a fall back excuse for the authorities. The West of Scotland has a lot of issues, and there are a number of causes including acohol, drugs, lack of education and poverty.

I dont believe football is one of these causes, i believe it to be an excuse, and a lazy one at that.

My Mrs works with "At Risk" children, and her busiest days of the year are the Mondays after Old Firm games, generally down to people spending the day in pubs etc.
You know the only day that equals that in terms of how busy it is?

The day after St Stephens day, what does that tell you?

[newballsplease]

anyone know the words to that song the celtic fans were singing? I just cant get enough

[PauloMN]

Originally Posted by Eirebear

Dont get me wrong, i think all the players and management involved should be punished for their part in it, and i understand the theory that their behaviour can fuel violence etc off field. Especially the managers, as they are the ones supposed to be showing an example.

For me though its always a bit of a fall back excuse for the authorities. The West of Scotland has a lot of issues, and there are a number of causes including acohol, drugs, lack of education and poverty.

I dont believe football is one of these causes, i believe it to be an excuse, and a lazy one at that.

My Mrs works with "At Risk" children, and her busiest days of the year are the Mondays after Old Firm games, generally down to people spending the day in pubs etc.
You know the only day that equals that in terms of how busy it is?

The day after St Stephens day, what does that tell you?

Not just the west of Scotland mate, all over the UK and Ireland has those issues. The west of Scotland has the added element of sectarianism in the mix as well though, which gives those problems an added dimension.

I don't think any authories are using the footie as an excuse, but they do have to tackle (excuse the pun) the dicipline problems at these games along with the broader issues of education, poverty, drug abuse and alcohol abuse. It is up to the SFA/SPL and the clubs to tidy up the games, working with the police where necessary. It is up to the government, the authorities and the general population to sort out the other issues like education, poverty and drug/alcohol abuse.

[Eirebear]

Originally Posted by PauloMN

Not just the west of Scotland mate, all over the UK and Ireland has those issues. The west of Scotland has the added element of sectarianism in the mix as well though, which gives those problems an added dimension.

I don't think any authories are using the footie as an excuse, but they do have to tackle (excuse the pun) the dicipline problems at these games along with the broader issues of education, poverty, drug abuse and alcohol abuse. It is up to the SFA/SPL and the clubs to tidy up the games, working with the police where necessary. It is up to the government, the authorities and the general population to sort out the other issues like edutation, poverty and drug/alcohol abuse.

Yeah, we'll see what comes out of this "Summit" between Bain, Lawwell, Salmond and the Police this week.

Honestly, i dont see what they can do to be honest, talk of trying to ban alcohol on matchdays is entirely unworkable, and could cause more problems than they fix.

Personally i stand by the view of a pub manager i used to work for, move all the Old Firm games to a Wednesday night at 8:30.

The majority of people are at work all day, by the time they get to the pub pre-game theyve only got a couple of hours before the game starts, by the time the game finishes the pubs are about to close and everyone is heading home for work in the morning.

[PauloMN]

Originally Posted by Eirebear

Yeah, we'll see what comes out of this "Summit" between Bain, Lawwell, Salmond and the Police this week.

Honestly, i dont see what they can do to be honest, talk of trying to ban alcohol on matchdays is entirely unworkable, and could cause more problems than they fix.

Personally i stand by the view of a pub manager i used to work for, move all the Old Firm games to a Wednesday night at 8:30.

The majority of people are at work all day, by the time they get to the pub pre-game theyve only got a couple of hours before the game starts, by the time the game finishes the pubs are about to close and everyone is heading home for work in the morning.

Couldn't agree more. Midweek evening games are great, was only thinking that during Wednesday's match. Like a Euro night (seeing as we don't have those this season)!

[OhNoYouDidn't]

"Rangers. A permanent embarrasment and an occasional disgrece".

Never been more apt.

[seafood dunleavy]

Originally Posted by newballsplease

anyone know the words to that song the celtic fans were singing? I just cant get enough

When I see you Celtic,I go out of my head.
I just can't get enough,I just can't get enough.
All the things you do to me and all the things you say
I just can't get enough,I just can't get enough.
We slip and slide as we fall in love
And i just cant seem to get enough of...
Do do do do do!

[Eirebear]

Originally Posted by seafood dunleavy

When I see you Celtic,I go out of my head.
I just can't get enough,I just can't get enough.
All the things you do to me and all the things you say
I just can't get enough,I just can't get enough.
We slip and slide as we fall in love
And i just cant seem to get enough of...
Do do do do do!

Ahhhhhhh!

That makes more sense, i was wondering why they felt they need to tell us all about their erectile disfunction!