[Adrian009]

Originally Posted by Wolfe Tone

Indded, cant believe so many are voting for those fascist Irish killers the blueshirts... two can play at your game ya know, pointless

What current member of FG is a Blueshirt? They were wound up in the 30's. I know because my grandad used to spent his spare time beating them black and blue.

We're dealing with the here and now, with the political decisions of living people during their politcal carrear. Please respond in kind.

[FUNKY LOVER]

Originally Posted by The Brigadier

As to Gerry Adams being an active member of the IRA? Well the first thing that led me to that view was an episode of "The Cook Report" back in the late 80s. In this piece of investigative journalism several former members of the Provisional IRA were interviewed and stated he was an active member. There have been so many similar reports in the 20+ years since then that Gerry Adams refusing to confess his IRA activity has become a bit of a running joke.

The Cook Report was a British television programme shown on ITV, produced for the network by Central Television from 1985 to 1998.

-says it all.

are you referring to brendan hughes who made the accusations,who hated gerry adams up until his death bed?

[lugha]

Originally Posted by wee truck big driver

why would they stop refering to the 26 counties after all that is what they are. the fact of the matter most of sinn fein voters are republicans and while some people dislike that it doesnt change the facts .

The use of the term "26 counties" (and "six counties") have and are been used by republicans as alternatives to the official names (or descriptions) of these states to indicate that they do not recognize these states. Now they are perfectly entitled to do this if they wish, but it is undemocratic and its a two-finger sign to the people of Ireland (North and South) who overwhelming supported the Good Friday agreement, which accepted for now, the status quo of two states on this island. And it is rather hypocritical when you consider that SF always argue that the fate of Ireland should be decided by ourselves alone.

If they do not recognize the state, then fine. But the could at least be honest about it and perhaps hitch their wagon to the dissidents or some such grouping. But they want to persist with this, as I called it, half-arsed state recognition. Indeed, some (Adams in particular) has got rather ratty in the past when he was, quite reasonably, questioned on this matter.

[celtictiger32]

Originally Posted by Adrian009

What current member of FG is a Blueshirt? They were wound up in the 30's. I know because my grandad used to spent his spare time beating them black and blue.

We're dealing with the here and now, with the political decisions of living people during their politcal carrear. Please respond in kind.

dealing with the here and now?? its a pity most of the SF bashers here dont think like that when they construct their arguments for not voting SF because its like a broken record or worse still a history lesson.

[The Brigadier]

Originally Posted by FUNKY LOVER

The Cook Report was a British television programme shown on ITV, produced for the network by Central Television from 1985 to 1998.

-says it all.

What does?

Originally Posted by FUNKY LOVER

are you referring to brendan hughes who made the accusations,who hated gerry adams up until his death bed?

There have been many people accusing Gerry Adams of being an active member of the IRA. Like I said, it has become a joke at this stage. I doubt anybody believes Gerry when he denies it. He would gain more respect from people by actually having the balls to admit his past.

[FUNKY LOVER]

Originally Posted by The Waltzing Consumer

When SF do not gain many votes or are curious why they are not as popular as they could be, these posts are a big hint. You throw it away yourselves lads, you are the only ones to blame.

explain?

[Capt'n Midnight]

Originally Posted by wee truck big driver

most of the murders commited in ireland arent commited by the ira so and most go undetected so onee can only guess who these people are or what party they may be affiliated to or support. going by the polls at the minute its fair to say the majority would be f.g supporters

By that sort of logic I could say accuse the IRA of carrying most of the murders, if they are undetected then the IRA would be the organisation most capable of a keeping secrecy in a murder campaign.

By that sort of logic SF's economic plan looks like it could work.

And how do you know that most of the murders aren't committed by the IRA ?

And if you are saying that most aren't committed , does this mean the IRA is still killing people ? (albeit undetected)

[Adrian009]

Originally Posted by The Waltzing Consumer

When SF do not gain many votes or are curious why they are not as popular as they could be, these posts are a big hint. You throw it away yourselves lads, you are the only ones to blame.

Hope the younger SF candidates and their suppoters research forums like these, might give them additional reasons to make a break from the party's support for the IRA. Doing that would win them a great many new voters, including myself.

[The Brigadier]

Originally Posted by celtictiger32

dealing with the here and now?? its a pity most of the SF bashers here dont think like that when they construct their arguments for not voting SF because its like a broken record or worse still a history lesson.

I think we are all able to remember the accusations levelled at Sinn Fein. It is pretty recent stuff.

[LordSutch]

I think the fact that we are discussing the provisional IRA & Sinn Fein in the same breath page after page, explaines why SF are doing so badly in the polls. They may have stopped endorsing the bombings, shootings etc, but we havent forgotten, and most of us certainly wouldn't vote for them to govern us. Maybe in another generation, when the wounds have healed & the current crop of S Feiners have passed on . . .

Mind you, even then I wouldn't.

[Adrian009]

Originally Posted by wee truck big driver

you can believe what you want but the facts are that there is no proof that the ira commited the robbery never mind that gerry adams knew of it in advance. also where is the proof that gerry adams was an active member of the ira. lastly given the choice between the ira allegedly robbing an english bank and the irish goverment including f.g and lab robbing the irish people and giving it to the banks of england france and germany i know which gets my vote

So, you're a SF member who supports armed robbery?

[FUNKY LOVER]

this thread is actually useless not one side is going to agree,round and round it goes.

[Davypat]

Originally Posted by KELTICKNIGHTT

to be a sf supporter ,NEVER LAD,rather vote ff
funny thing doe,when a sf boyo came looking for a vote,i told him never in a million years, slammed door in his face,wasnt too happy :-)

Thats manners for you!! 2 wrongs do not make a right.

[The Waltzing Consumer]

Originally Posted by FUNKY LOVER

explain?

Well, people are going to be critical of SF here, like they are with all parties. SF have a bit more of a controversial history, especially in the last forty years, so they gotta put up with a bit more stick. But the way some of you guys debate is awful. You will criticize people who bring up the past if it is negative, yet you will do it yourselves no problem, sure SF official site still has loads of IRA merchandise for christ sake.

When I tried to ask about condemning Garda killings. I don't get a straight answer, I get "well, what if a Garda kills an innocent person?" answer. It is all too dodgy, tangent debates where you will only answer whatever suits you then put your fingers in your ears and scream "lalalalalala" if you don't like it.

When I say "you" I don't mean you in particular, just the general sense of SF supporters here. It's really annoying. The only thing more annoying is the recent FF posters reemerging with a sudden amnesia to everything their party has done.

[Davypat]

Originally Posted by Adrian009

So, you're a SF member who supports armed robbery?

This is rediculous. A so called republican government sold us out to pay back the big time gamblers and impoverish their own people!! I hpe the next time someone gambles on a horse and looses, they go back for their money!!