[munkifisht]

In other words - you were late, you couldnt be bothered buying a ticket and you got fined. Its everyone elses fault (clowns, bureaucrats, stinking fecker ) but yours. Tough ****. People like you really get my goat up. Had you been on time you wouldnt have been in your situation.

I hate to say it, but it kinda was their fault. They installed and programmed these machines without any kind of understanding of Universal Design. They also employee a guy who is supposed to be working the ticket office and wasn't there that morning. I arrived on time to get a ticket from the ticket office, but not to decipher the idiotic programming of some numpty.

What "get my goat up" (although, I don't own a goat) is the type of double digit brain celled morons who subscribe fully, unflaggingly and incessantly to idiotic and illogical rules and laws. I am sure that you are the type to demand your taxi driver has a full bail of hay in the trunk of their carriage at all times, and you quite happily make stool on public streets, happy in the knowledge you are breaking no laws as long as a number 1 doesn't come out too.

[Losty Dublin]

It actually is your fault. You decided not to use a ticket machine (which does work; I am sure that many others used them before and after you with no confusion or knowledge of programme code) and you chose not to buy a ticket and traveled without same. Irish Rail didn't make you travel, they didn't make you arrive when you did and they surely didn't decide to fine you for the crack.

Admit it, you have no defence here :-)

Originally Posted by munkifisht

I hate to say it, but it kinda was their fault. They installed and programmed these machines without any kind of understanding of Universal Design. They also employee a guy who is supposed to be working the ticket office and wasn't there that morning. I arrived on time to get a ticket from the ticket office, but not to decipher the idiotic programming of some numpty.

What "get my goat up" (although, I don't own a goat) is the type of double digit brain celled morons who subscribe fully, unflaggingly and incessantly to idiotic and illogical rules and laws. I am sure that you are the type to demand your taxi driver has a full bail of hay in the trunk of their carriage at all times, and you quite happily make stool on public streets, happy in the knowledge you are breaking no laws as long as a number 1 doesn't come out too.

[Losty Dublin]

Seriously though, if you reckon you have a point and you think a judge will acquit then have your day in court. Just don't be shocked when you see the size of your fine.

[handlemaster]

Originally Posted by munkifisht

I hate to say it, but it kinda was their fault. They installed and programmed these machines without any kind of understanding of Universal Design. They also employee a guy who is supposed to be working the ticket office and wasn't there that morning. I arrived on time to get a ticket from the ticket office, but not to decipher the idiotic programming of some numpty.

What "get my goat up" (although, I don't own a goat) is the type of double digit brain celled morons who subscribe fully, unflaggingly and incessantly to idiotic and illogical rules and laws. I am sure that you are the type to demand your taxi driver has a full bail of hay in the trunk of their carriage at all times, and you quite happily make stool on public streets, happy in the knowledge you are breaking no laws as long as a number 1 doesn't come out too.

You just can't be taken seriously.

[whiska]

i decided to call up IE and see if there was any way of avoiding the court date.
basically if i want it to go away i have to pay the fine of 100 euro plus 110 euro administration fee so i'm pretty positive i'm going to do that.

Thanks for all your advice and help guys!
also i think its true about doing these things in batches. I've heard quite a few people also got summons within a few days of each other for evading fares so i do reckon it is a case of everyone is pretty much guilty.

[smokie2008]

Deny Deny Deny

[AlekSmart]

Originally Posted by smokie2008

Deny Deny Deny

Sorry smokie2008,that particular excuse has been patented by the former Financial Regulator after his robust stress-testing of the Irish Banking System in smokey 2008.

So our man will need something just a wee bit firmer upon which to base his flight from fares....

[sdeire]

Originally Posted by munkifisht

I had a similar issue with the clowns in the DART before. I was rushing to get a train and the ticket office was closed. My previous experience of the ticket machines has been that they are buggy, slow and almost inconceivably difficult to use. So rather than miss the train and the meeting I had to be at, I decided to pay on the other end.

When I got off at Connolly I went straight up to the fare guy and told him the situation and that I would need a return fare and tried to give him the correct change. The stinking fecker booked me on it. I was amazed as I've gone through similar before and they had no problem accepting my fare on that end (prob because the guys pocketed it). I showed the guy 8 tickets I had from the previous few days, explained I was looking to get a return ticket. I was also coming in on the Northbound train and claiming that my journey was from Howth, which it was (the max fare you can have, so in other words, as a fare evader I was doing a pretty poor job). None of this was accepted, so I wrote to the fines collection office and explained the situation in a calm and level manner. Again, no budging. One of the funniest parts of the whole debacle was when I rang the fines office and and was talking to the man in charge, he said he never had a problem in getting a ticket in the morning. I had to point out to him that I knew that as an employee of CIE he was issued with a ticket with his job that allowed him ride the dart and bus services for free. He didn't really have a response for that.

In short, the people who work in fine collections in the Dart and CIE and absolute and total bureaucrats. They have no idea of the realities of life. My advice if you ever do have to run for a train

Never present any ID
Never give a real address
Never travel on the Dart

Since that mess I've stopped using the POS dart service and have started to drive in, and it's more reliable, more comfortable, it is WAYYYYYY cheaper, and there isn't some junkie coughing all over me.

Yes. Sitting in traffic for 3 hours every day and paying anywhere from €7 to €30 to park my car for the day is definately cheaper and better and happier than paying €4.20 return.

FFS, you're deluded.

Originally Posted by munkifisht

I hate to say it, but it kinda was their fault. They installed and programmed these machines without any kind of understanding of Universal Design. They also employee a guy who is supposed to be working the ticket office and wasn't there that morning. I arrived on time to get a ticket from the ticket office, but not to decipher the idiotic programming of some numpty.

What "get my goat up" (although, I don't own a goat) is the type of double digit brain celled morons who subscribe fully, unflaggingly and incessantly to idiotic and illogical rules and laws. I am sure that you are the type to demand your taxi driver has a full bail of hay in the trunk of their carriage at all times, and you quite happily make stool on public streets, happy in the knowledge you are breaking no laws as long as a number 1 doesn't come out too.

YOU TRAVELLED WITHOUT A TICKET. There's being reasonable, unreasonable, and then there's living in the real world. Whether you like it or not, if you arrived too late to work the TVM then you miss your train. End of story. That's not blindly subscribing to idiotic or illogical rules, that's called being reasonable.

Your original attempt to pay your way after getting on anf off without the ticket was admirable, although caused by misguided ignorance. Your arrogant attitude here though is just simply not on, tbh.

[pieface_ie]

Ive seen this at greystones dart station in the morning, the hatch is not open, massive q for machine as one of the two is broke People bang on the hatch window and the fella comes out and says pay at the other end, then i get to Pearse st and see people getting fined.

bit of a shambles

[Victor]

Originally Posted by pieface_ie

Ive seen this at greystones dart station in the morning, the hatch is not open, massive q for machine as one of the two is broke People bang on the hatch window and the fella comes out and says pay at the other end, then i get to Pearse st and see people getting fined.

If this happens, surely there are a bunch of witnesses to it?

[pieface_ie]

If this happens, surely there are a bunch of witnesses to it?

Id like to see you stand in pearse station trying to get people to act as a witness when there all scurrying through the gates like rats

[Victor]

Originally Posted by pieface_ie

Id like to see you stand in pearse station trying to get people to act as a witness when there all scurrying through the gates like rats

But they can't - they don't have tickets ....

[popebenny16]

Originally Posted by munkifisht

I hate to say it, but it kinda was their fault. They installed and programmed these machines without any kind of understanding of Universal Design. They also employee a guy who is supposed to be working the ticket office and wasn't there that morning. I arrived on time to get a ticket from the ticket office, but not to decipher the idiotic programming of some numpty.

What "get my goat up" (although, I don't own a goat) is the type of double digit brain celled morons who subscribe fully, unflaggingly and incessantly to idiotic and illogical rules and laws. I am sure that you are the type to demand your taxi driver has a full bail of hay in the trunk of their carriage at all times, and you quite happily make stool on public streets, happy in the knowledge you are breaking no laws as long as a number 1 doesn't come out too.

WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON?? (Thats in reference to the second paragraph).

As for the first paragraph.... what is so complicated about selecting the station you are going to and either the word "single" or "return". Both my 11 and 10 year old sons can do this. I really dont know if you are just another one of those bored WUMs we find on the C&T board every so often or weather you truly need to see a shrink. Whatever it is, that post cannot be taken seriously, and so neither can you.

Originally Posted by pieface_ie

Ive seen this at greystones dart station in the morning, the hatch is not open, massive q for machine as one of the two is broke People bang on the hatch window and the fella comes out and says pay at the other end, then i get to Pearse st and see people getting fined.

bit of a shambles

If there were many people not buying tickets, and therefore many people all being stopped at Pearse - all saying the same story - alarm bells would be going off and payment would be accepted at the station in those circumstances. Your post lacks credibility to me.

I really do not understand what the problem is here. These yokes have been in service for a good while now. It has been a long long time since the clampdown on not having a ticket was implemented. If you are a regular commuter (like every day or even once a week) you know the story that paying at the end is over and has been for a long time. Trying that one is a non starter.

[goingnowhere]

Originally Posted by popebenny16

If there were many people not buying tickets, and therefore many people all being stopped at Pearse - all saying the same story - alarm bells would be going off and payment would be accepted at the station in those circumstances. Your post lacks credibility to me.

True the rules allow for this, classic booking office machine broken, power cut etc, pay at the other end is verbally communicated there should be no problem

It takes just 3 button pushes to get any single/return ticket, for common destinations it take just one.

[user1842]

Originally Posted by Losty Dublin

[*]Some convictions have been made from people who have given false details at the time of being caught when travelling.

Just a question on this, if you gave false details how can they catch you, unless they take your picture or something but even then how would they find you?