[Kiki10]

[QUOTE=Nodin;69403189]

Originally Posted by Kiki10

Thats probably cause Ireland was under fairly strict censorship laws right into the 1990's, which suited our FF dictators fine.

That statement makes no sense.



So theres no such thing as a French communist?



...despite the absence of communist policies...?

They have commie's in France but there controlled.
Getting rid of private heath care is a corner stone of commie despot country's.
"everyone Que's" should be there slogan

[the_syco]

Originally Posted by gonedrinking

Not true, they decided about 2 years ago that their policy on corporation tax would be to leave it as it was. They were recently questioned on this and comfirmed they have no intention of changing the corp tax rate should they get into power.

Really? Odd. I just saw them back peddling when a journalist picked up on it being in their constitution that they'd raise the corporation tax for non-Irish companies to something insane like 40%...

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by Kiki10

They have commie's in France but there controlled.

Fascinating. Who "controls" them?

Originally Posted by Kiki10

Getting rid of private heath care is a corner stone of commie despot country's.

'Having decent roads was a corner stone of every Facist dictators policy, therefore all people who support decent roads are facists'. Its a logical fallacy.

[dlofnep]

Originally Posted by the_syco

Really? Odd. I just saw them back peddling when a journalist picked up on it being in their constitution that they'd raise the corporation tax for non-Irish companies to something insane like 40%...

sauce?

The current policy is to remain at 12.5%

[Permabear]

Observing that the sectarian struggle in the North had pitted the Protestant and Catholic working classes against one another, Sinn Féin embraced Marxist-Leninist philosophies in its efforts to unite all workers on the Irish island in a class struggle. Fundamentally opposed to capitalism, it established relations with many socialist and communist parties globally. So no, it's not officially a communist organization—but just like the post boxes, if you scratch off enough green paint, you find red beneath.

[Kiki10]

Originally Posted by Nodin

Fascinating. Who "controls" them?



'Having decent roads was a corner stone of every Facist dictators policy, therefore all people who support decent roads are facists'. Its a logical fallacy.

what always amazes me about sinn feiners who say there not communist, is they always get more excited about insulting communists than sinn fein?
Lads yer brighter red than a fire brigade on st. Patrick's day parade!
Why don't you tell the truth about it!

[dlofnep]

Originally Posted by donegalfella

Observing that the sectarian struggle in the North had pitted the Protestant and Catholic working classes against one another, Sinn Féin embraced Marxist-Leninist philosophies in its efforts to unite all workers on the Irish island in a class struggle. Fundamentally opposed to capitalism, it established relations with many socialist and communist parties globally. So no, it's not officially a communist organization—but just like the post boxes, if you scratch off enough green paint, you find red beneath.

Some policy examples?

You could say the same about any political party - but without citing examples, it doesn't mean very much. Sinn Féin is a socialist party - some members are a little more centered than pure socialism, and some are firmly rooted in socialist ideologies. But I don't know any communists in Sinn Féin.

[LordSutch]

This is the 5th Sinn Fein thread currently on the hob in the Politics forum!

What's going on? are they taking over the country, or what

[Shea O'Meara]

Comparing communism to any of the dictatorships which came out of the attempts is no different than comparing right wingers in the democratic process to Fascism.
It's that ridiculous.
Communism gets the scaremonger right wing treatment because people with power and money get nervous, so they try brainwash people into thinking in such a way.
Ironically, both left and right leaning governments borrow from each others philosophies when it suits. Bank bailouts, that's the state looking after private concerns, as with the car companies in the US. China, dealing in consumerism...it goes on. It seems communist ideologies have a place when people with lots of money need the rules changed to suit.
People should relax and actually view policies they either agree or disagree with based on the actual policies and leave the school yard scare stories to FFail and their fantasy troop.

[Permabear]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

Some policy examples?

I'm talking about the party's historical ideological alignments rather than specific economic policies—which are, at best, a vague and rambling mish-mash that change with the prevailing winds.

Sinn Féin is a socialist party - some members are a little more centered than pure socialism, and some are firmly rooted in socialist ideologies. But I don't know any communists in Sinn Féin.

That's fair enough. Personally, though, I have little time for hair-splitting distinctions between socialists and communists. Both want to further empower the inefficient, bloated, centralized state—and that's really all I need to know!

[OhNoYouDidn't]

Originally Posted by Monty Burnz

Without wanting to go O/T, I think the problem is that whenever anyone points a country which endured a (failed) communist experiment, we are always told that it wasn't actually communism at all, it was 'Stalinism' or 'Totalitarianism' or some other '-ism' - anything except communism. This in spite of the fact that the regimes in question were described by those within and without as 'communist' at the time.

Those who still cling to Marxist/communist beliefs have an obvious reason to distance themselves from these failed social experiments.

Sounds like the right on here - the last two years weren't a failure of capitalism etc.

[OhNoYouDidn't]

Originally Posted by donegalfella

I'm talking about the party's historical ideological alignments rather than specific economic policies—which are, at best, a vague and rambling mish-mash that change with the prevailing winds.



That's fair enough. Personally, though, I have little time for hair-splitting distinctions between socialists and communists. Both want to further empower the inefficient, bloated, centralized state—and that's really all I need to know!

But we have had 10 years of neo liberal economics and regulation lite. It failed, and failed spectacularly.

Now the electorate are shaping up to return a new, left wing alternative and the most insipid and ludicrous scaremongering has begun. Talk of death camps and them removing the vote, and thats just on this thread.

Like it or not, FF are dead and buried. SF and Labour, for different reasons, will likely emerge from the ashes as kingmakers.

SF are FF of the 50's They will shed all ideology required to maintain power once they get it. The idea that they will impose draconian suppression of the people is laughable

[Monty Burnz]

Originally Posted by OhNoYouDidn't

Sounds like the right on here - the last two years weren't a failure of capitalism etc.

So I guess the US, Europe and everywhere else will revert to communism, in much the same way as the countries where failed communist revolutions occurred reverted to capitalism? Well, a few years into the crisis, it doesn't really look like it, does it?

I agree that we are witnessing a failure of capitalism, the way the banks have done their best to bankrupt us - but this is also a failure of the state. The regulators (in Ireland and elsewhere) are meant to prevent the banks from acting as they did. Governments are also meant to look out for the interests of the people - they didn't. The banks aren't a great advert for unrestrained capitalism, and the regulators and the ineptitude of the government aren't exactly shining examples of state management.

You'd almost think there was a sensible, proven middle path of tempered capitalism, wouldn't you?

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by Kiki10

what always amazes(...............)brigade on st. Patrick's day parade!
Why don't you tell the truth about it!

Why don't you answer the question put to you earlier.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by LordSutch

This is the 5th Sinn Fein thread currently on the hob in the Politics forum!

What's going on? are they taking over the country, or what

One would think so, though even the most ardent of Sinn Fein voters wouldn't maintain such a view. It's getting a bit silly, amusing though some of the hysteria may be.