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goat2 · 09-10-2010, 23:21

school home work has real benefits,it give parents a chance to see how advanced their offsprings are at school,i sat every evening giving each of my children half an hour of my time, i am glad i did, i helped lay the cornerstone of what they are today, one of them was bad at reading, spelling and paying attention, another was slow at maths, another was lazy, and the other could not put the books away, through that time i gave them i do know it helped, it is very hard on teachers looking after, teaching, keeping them quiet and sitting at the age of four, five and six, 25 to 30 in numbersHOME WORK HAS BIG BENEFITS

Orizio · 09-10-2010, 23:27

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Originally Posted by destinybabe

I reckon the school day uses up enough time in a childs life especially in primary school, they deserve to have a good quality of life to be enabled to relax, play and be kids when they get home at the end of their day.

Unfortunately, 'relaxing' for most children nowadays means vegetating in front of the TV for hours. I'm inclined to think Math and reading are more worthwhile activities, no matter how much the parents and children complain.

A far greater tragedy is the amount of time wasted on indoctrinating our young children in superstition and superficial spirituality.

Oracle · 09-10-2010, 23:50

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Originally Posted by thebullkf

.... to say school teaches you to be dumb .....

Yes, thats what I'm saying, in school, children learn to be dumb. In fact, it's worse than that, the school system is deliberately designed, to create dumbness.

Fittle · 10-10-2010, 08:00

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Originally Posted by Orizio

Unfortunately, 'relaxing' for most children nowadays means vegetating in front of the TV for hours. I'm inclined to think Math and reading are more worthwhile activities, no matter how much the parents and children complain.

A far greater tragedy is the amount of time wasted on indoctrinating our young children in superstition and superficial spirituality.

Could you expand on that a little?

Superstition? I don't spend any amount of time indoctrinating my young child in superstition as far as I'm aware...
And superficial spirituality is what exactly

EWJim · 10-10-2010, 08:20

As a mature student I have found the importance of homework/ study.
To keep up with my studies I have to spend at least 3 hours a night studying and doing homework to keep up.

Having Kids in secondary school doing this prepares them for Collage.

As for the above point I also believe that more time should be give to Practical things like Learning Touch Typing, Entrepreneurship ect,and such.

In Conclusion Home work is a Vital part of the education Presses, as it will prepare students for there future, Plus as said before it dose let parents know how your child is doing

opinion guy · 10-10-2010, 08:41

I think homework has a real and definite benefit, but the key thing is the form of that homework. I think the other important thing is parental involvement with the homwork.

What am I blathering on about. In school I found my homework in Maths for example to be very useful I hated doing it (thou I liked Maths), but I definitely benefited from it. But then again my mum was a math teacher herself and was super involved. Lets take Irish on the other hand - as soon as I entered secondary school my homework every day without fail was to learn off an a4 essay every night from a book of essay and be able to write it in the morning. This would have taken me hours had I done it and meant I was doing out. So even as a 12 year old I just said f**k that I'm not doing that. And I didn't. Everyday we spent ten mins of Irish class writing out said essay, whici I of course cheated on and got caught all the time. And my Irish never progressed beyond my primary school level.

So I think the point is that homework is a good thing if its usefully constructed to practice some key points and make you apply your knowledge and push your ability. If it is pointless busywork then its just a complete waste of both home time and class time in correcting it. I also think parental involvement in homework is a good thing. But there are 2 problems with that - not all parents have the time to get involved and not all parents are able to do the homework themselves.

Finally when it comes to languages I feel conventional teaching wasn't very good for me. It turns out much later on in my career I write as a part of my job - that has done far more than my English than homework ever seemed to do - in terms of expressing myself I mean. Grammar is unavoidable but I think I'd learned whatever grammar I know in primary school. Somehow the course in secondary school didn't train my ability to express myself through words, which is just as important, if not more so, than knowing your Shakespere etc.

planetX · 10-10-2010, 10:27

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Originally Posted by opinion guy

Lets take Irish on the other hand - as soon as I entered secondary school my homework every day without fail was to learn off an a4 essay every night from a book of essay and be able to write it in the morning. This would have taken me hours had I done it and meant I was doing out. So even as a 12 year old I just said f**k that I'm not doing that. And I didn't. Everyday we spent ten mins of Irish class writing out said essay, whici I of course cheated on and got caught all the time. And my Irish never progressed beyond my primary school level.

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I'm laughing here - we used to have to learn off a page of Irish off by heart and write it out the next day. It wasn't possible to do even with the best will in the world, but it did teach the whole class to invent new ways of cheating (came in very useful later in exams too). Must have been a standard teaching method

thebullkf · 10-10-2010, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Oracle

Yes, thats what I'm saying, in school, children learn to be dumb. In fact, it's worse than that, the school system is deliberately designed, to create dumbness.

ok. so a system learning is deliberately designed to create dumbness??

explain please?

thats an outrageous statement,obviously metrovelvet concurs.
i'm flabbergasted.

Fittle · 10-10-2010, 11:47

By 'dumb', I think the poster means the literal sense of the word - it teaches children not to speak, but to be quiet and not to interact with on another, or the teacher, until given permission to do so.

I don't think the poster means 'dumb' in the american sense......

thebullkf · 10-10-2010, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Fittle

By 'dumb', I think the poster means the literal sense of the word - it teaches children not to speak, but to be quiet and not to interact with on another, or the teacher, until given permission to do so.

I don't think the poster means 'dumb' in the american sense......

i don't think so.

metrovelvet · 10-10-2010, 12:16

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Originally Posted by thebullkf

ok. so a system learning is deliberately designed to create dumbness??

explain please?

thats an outrageous statement,obviously metrovelvet concurs.
i'm flabbergasted.

Because anyone who is not average or just below will lose out.

I cant think of ONE person I know who liked school. If everyone hates it that much, there is something wrong with it.

thebullkf · 10-10-2010, 12:30

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Originally Posted by metrovelvet

Because anyone who is not average or just below will lose out

so this proves that schools make you dumb?

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I cant think of ONE person I know who liked school. If everyone hates it that much, there is something wrong with it.

oh sweet jeebus.

the criteria for somethings benefit is based on its popularity then??

why isn't hardcore porn on the curriculum then i wonder..?

c'mon metro,i think you know better than that.

i liked school, so did all my family,and most of my friends...just because you don't like something doesn't mean its detrimental to you.

most kids don't like having their earsscrubbed..is that bad for them?
most kids hate cabbage.. and so on.

metrovelvet · 10-10-2010, 12:54

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Originally Posted by thebullkf

so this proves that schools make you dumb?

oh sweet jeebus.

the criteria for somethings benefit is based on its popularity then??

why isn't hardcore porn on the curriculum then i wonder..?

c'mon metro,i think you know better than that.

i liked school, so did all my family,and most of my friends...just because you don't like something doesn't mean its detrimental to you.

most kids don't like having their earsscrubbed..is that bad for them?
most kids hate cabbage.. and so on.

You know what. If hard core porn in were IRish more people would learn it. Not a bad idea. That is exactly my point.

School teaches you that learning is BOOORING!!!!!!!!!!

thebullkf · 10-10-2010, 13:22

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Originally Posted by metrovelvet

You know what. If hard core porn in were IRish more people would learn it. Not a bad idea. That is exactly my point.

School teaches you that learning is BOOORING!!!!!!!!!!

excuse me??

metrovelvet · 10-10-2010, 13:26

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Originally Posted by thebullkf

excuse me??

Im not suggesting primary school students be shown hard core porn in Irish.

Language in general needs to be overhauled to latch on to kids natural curiosity which seems to get killed the minute they start school.

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goat2 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ireland Posts: 3,292 Adverts \| Friends	school home work has real benefits,it give parents a chance to see how advanced their offsprings are at school,i sat every evening giving each of my children half an hour of my time, i am glad i did, i helped lay the cornerstone of what they are today, one of them was bad at reading, spelling and paying attention, another was slow at maths, another was lazy, and the other could not put the books away, through that time i gave them i do know it helped, it is very hard on teachers looking after, teaching, keeping them quiet and sitting at the age of four, five and six, 25 to 30 in numbersHOME WORK HAS BIG BENEFITS

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opinion guy Closed Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,563 Adverts \| Friends	I think homework has a real and definite benefit, but the key thing is the form of that homework. I think the other important thing is parental involvement with the homwork. What am I blathering on about. In school I found my homework in Maths for example to be very useful I hated doing it (thou I liked Maths), but I definitely benefited from it. But then again my mum was a math teacher herself and was super involved. Lets take Irish on the other hand - as soon as I entered secondary school my homework every day without fail was to learn off an a4 essay every night from a book of essay and be able to write it in the morning. This would have taken me hours had I done it and meant I was doing out. So even as a 12 year old I just said f**k that I'm not doing that. And I didn't. Everyday we spent ten mins of Irish class writing out said essay, whici I of course cheated on and got caught all the time. And my Irish never progressed beyond my primary school level. So I think the point is that homework is a good thing if its usefully constructed to practice some key points and make you apply your knowledge and push your ability. If it is pointless busywork then its just a complete waste of both home time and class time in correcting it. I also think parental involvement in homework is a good thing. But there are 2 problems with that - not all parents have the time to get involved and not all parents are able to do the homework themselves. Finally when it comes to languages I feel conventional teaching wasn't very good for me. It turns out much later on in my career I write as a part of my job - that has done far more than my English than homework ever seemed to do - in terms of expressing myself I mean. Grammar is unavoidable but I think I'd learned whatever grammar I know in primary school. Somehow the course in secondary school didn't train my ability to express myself through words, which is just as important, if not more so, than knowing your Shakespere etc.

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Fittle Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Dublin Posts: 2,550 Adverts \| Friends	By 'dumb', I think the poster means the literal sense of the word - it teaches children not to speak, but to be quiet and not to interact with on another, or the teacher, until given permission to do so. I don't think the poster means 'dumb' in the american sense......