[cats.life]

i dont mind the home work for half hour when they get home, but when it goes over an hour and half thats stupid, few times last term when my lad was in 6th he got heaps of it to do ( a new teacher startefor 6th class) the child was crying doing it cos he was afraid of teacher , so i chatted to the nose wipe (teacher) and told him to calm it with the work at home, now im usualy calm and hold back on things but not that day, i let fly . my lad is very good at the homework and finised what he got, so this is out of order by this new teacher coming from another school shouting at the lads and girls who were excellent at their school work, after that they were told if they dont get the work done in the 45mins , the parent is to write a note . yes home is good but not over half hour or an hour for 2ndery school. im told that teacher is nice this year.

[Fittle]

For me (my child is in 3rd class), homework causes so much stress and worry, that I have already had to speak to the teacher a few times.

I enjoy the fact that homework lets me see how he's doing in school, so I get him to wait until I get in from work before he does it. However, at 6pm we are both tired and the last thing we want to down to do homework. Anyway, the stress begins when he realises he has forgotten a book, or a copy....they leave their books in school and only bring home the relevant books for homework. So far, after 6wks back, I'd say there were two days when he brought home the right books. It's 2.15 before the teacher writes the homework down for them so they've to write it in their journal and get all the relevant books in their schoolbags, within 15 minutes.

So then he gets upset when he realises he has the wrong book/workbook/copy because he'll be in trouble the next day....there have been tears in our house most evenings....

I actually dread that hour every evening now and would be all for the recommendation that the idea of homework is reviewed....

[implausible]

Originally Posted by cats.life

i dont mind the home work for half hour when they get home, but when it goes over an hour and half thats stupid, few times last term when my lad was in 6th he got heaps of it to do ( a new teacher startefor 6th class) the child was crying doing it cos he was afraid of teacher , so i chatted to the nose wipe (teacher) and told him to calm it with the work at home, now im usualy calm and hold back on things but not that day, i let fly . my lad is very good at the homework and finised what he got, so this is out of order by this new teacher coming from another school shouting at the lads and girls who were excellent at their school work, after that they were told if they dont get the work done in the 45mins , the parent is to write a note . yes home is good but not over half hour or an hour for 2ndery school. im told that teacher is nice this year.

I feel sorry for your child. If you have no respect for teachers, how on earth do you expect your child to have some? Calling a professional a "nose wipe" is bang out of order, as is marching into a school and "letting fly" at someone whose job it is to educate your child! What kind of lesson is that to teach your child? If you have an issue, there are adult ways to deal with it.

And, for the record, in sixth class, the teacher is preparing your child for the huge amount of work expected of him in secondary school. I don't think an hour and a half is unreasonable.

[cats.life]

Originally Posted by deemark

I feel sorry for your child. If you have no respect for teachers, how on earth do you expect your child to have some? Calling a professional a "nose wipe" is bang out of order, as is marching into a school and "letting fly" at someone whose job it is to educate your child! What kind of lesson is that to teach your child? If you have an issue, there are adult ways to deal with it.

And, for the record, in sixth class, the teacher is preparing your child for the huge amount of work expected of him in secondary school. I don't think an hour and a half is unreasonable.

read private message ive sent you.

[planetX]

I wish they'd do 'show and tell' here - now I know it's straight out of American tv, but it's looks like such fun. I have so many things in mind to send in for my son's show and tell.... if he had any
And I would LOVE to help him build a pyramid for homework, or a volcano, or something. We just fill in the blanks in workbooks zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[planetX]

Originally Posted by Fittle

For me (my child is in 3rd class), homework causes so much stress and worry, that I have already had to speak to the teacher a few times.

I enjoy the fact that homework lets me see how he's doing in school, so I get him to wait until I get in from work before he does it. However, at 6pm we are both tired and the last thing we want to down to do homework. Anyway, the stress begins when he realises he has forgotten a book, or a copy....they leave their books in school and only bring home the relevant books for homework. So far, after 6wks back, I'd say there were two days when he brought home the right books. It's 2.15 before the teacher writes the homework down for them so they've to write it in their journal and get all the relevant books in their schoolbags, within 15 minutes.

So then he gets upset when he realises he has the wrong book/workbook/copy because he'll be in trouble the next day....there have been tears in our house most evenings....

I actually dread that hour every evening now and would be all for the recommendation that the idea of homework is reviewed....

+1 about the forgotten books, we have that nearly every night too.

[cats.life]

Originally Posted by Fittle

For me (my child is in 3rd class), homework causes so much stress and worry, that I have already had to speak to the teacher a few times.

I enjoy the fact that homework lets me see how he's doing in school, so I get him to wait until I get in from work before he does it. However, at 6pm we are both tired and the last thing we want to down to do homework. Anyway, the stress begins when he realises he has forgotten a book, or a copy....they leave their books in school and only bring home the relevant books for homework. So far, after 6wks back, I'd say there were two days when he brought home the right books. It's 2.15 before the teacher writes the homework down for them so they've to write it in their journal and get all the relevant books in their schoolbags, within 15 minutes.

So then he gets upset when he realises he has the wrong book/workbook/copy because he'll be in trouble the next day....there have been tears in our house most evenings....

I actually dread that hour every evening now and would be all for the recommendation that the idea of homework is reviewed....

suggestion tomake sure he dont forget any books or copys , i look through my lads bag in the car and if he has forgotten anything i just nip in to school to get it from his school box . teacher dont mind me doing it, it mght not work if you have him collected by bus etc.

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by metrovelvet

I would say the entirety of the first four years of my primary education were a complete waste of time. Except for penmanship. That was the only thing I learned in school. I learned how to read and basic maths before I started school. I was bored stiff and played hookie at 5. Drove my mother demented.

Completely agree. I learned much more at home, and my mother taught me to read. I disliked school and was constantly bored. The relentless routine, petty regulation and constant supervision was very oppressive. As for the long list of things school does for you, I have another list. This is what children learn in the first few years at school:

They learn to sit still and be passive.
They learn to be the same as everyone else.
They learn if they are different they will be bullied.
They learn to take orders and listen to instructions.
They learn to live by rules and regulation.
They learn to listen for a bell, to watch the clock and obey the teacher.
They learn to please the teacher.
They learn everything of value is outside of them.
They learn they must fit in, and that fitting in means being the same as everyone else- doing the same thing, thinking the same thoughts, saying the same things and asking permission for everything.
They learn they can ask certain questions.
They learn not to question.
They learn how to be completely bored.
They learn how to be dumb.

[Fittle]

Originally Posted by cats.life

suggestion tomake sure he dont forget any books or copys , i look through my lads bag in the car and if he has forgotten anything i just nip in to school to get it from his school box . teacher dont mind me doing it, it mght not work if you have him collected by bus etc.

Not do-able in my situation unfortunately. I work f/t and have a minder collect him...it's not something I could ask her to do, as she collects another child after mine and is under pressure of time.

the simple solution, or the simplest I could think of was to ask teacher to write it on the board earlier than 2.15....but it's not something she can do she tells me...

[Grawns]

My Mother was a national teacher for years and when I used to complain about it ( homework) she would explain that it was some parents who demanded the homework, not the teachers at all. Now this makes sense as teachers do not want to be correcting the stuff in their own time.

I wonder what would happen if you told the teacher, the head, whover, that your child wouldn't be doing homework as you didn't believe in it's educational value and the school day was long enough for a child. Let's say up to 10 or 11 years and it's a given that you are happy with your child's ability and progress. That would be my ideal plan for my child.

[metrovelvet]

Originally Posted by planetX

I wish they'd do 'show and tell' here - now I know it's straight out of American tv, but it's looks like such fun. I have so many things in mind to send in for my son's show and tell.... if he had any
And I would LOVE to help him build a pyramid for homework, or a volcano, or something. We just fill in the blanks in workbooks zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

We had show and tell. I think its great. We get lots more practise at public speaking and presenting. Probably why we appear more confident.

I remember bringing in my volcano before it became fashionable and a clock that used marbles.

My mother despaired over the take home projects because it cost her more money. It meant buying more supplies, like modelling clay and plexiglass. ALso she had a small baby [my brother] so was busy and hugely resented these projects, having come from the IRish education system she thought they were stupid.

[Oracle]

Actually building things, or doing anything remotely useful, wouldn't be boring enough.

[thebullkf]

Originally Posted by Thaedydal

I disagree.
When my eldest started primary at the new parents meeting the principal read out a piece on what children learn in the first few years.

They learn to listen,
they learn to share,
they learn to look out for each other,
they learn to wait their turn,
they get a chance to use their manners
They learn to take off their own coat,
they learn to ask permission
they learn that they can not fight or hit
they learn to mind their bags
they learn to sit and complete tasks
they learn to ask questions

There are so many 'lessons' which are not on the circulum which are absorbed in those first two years.

isn't that what pre-school is for??
maybe thats the difference i see with certain kids in our school.
some seem much ..i dunno-relaxed/used to it more than others.

i definitely think homework is essential for children.

[thebullkf]

Originally Posted by Thaedydal

Pedagogy: The strategies of instruction, or a style of instruction used by teachers.


Well if we look around at how much the world has changed and then look at school, 100 years ago we had kids sitting in rows with the teacher at the top of the class, and it's the same to day.

There was a wonderful TEDtalk about child driven learning.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10663353

incredible.

[thebullkf]

Originally Posted by Oracle

Completely agree. I learned much more at home, and my mother taught me to read. I disliked school and was constantly bored. The relentless routine, petty regulation and constant supervision was very oppressive. As for the long list of things school does for you, I have another list. This is what children learn in the first few years at school:

They learn to sit still and be passive.
They learn to be the same as everyone else.
They learn if they are different they will be bullied.
They learn to take orders and listen to instructions.
They learn to live by rules and regulation.
They learn to listen for a bell, to watch the clock and obey the teacher.
They learn to please the teacher.
They learn everything of value is outside of them.
They learn they must fit in, and that fitting in means being the same as everyone else- doing the same thing, thinking the same thoughts, saying the same things and asking permission for everything.
They learn they can ask certain questions.
They learn not to question.
They learn how to be completely bored.
They learn how to be dumb.

^^ = wow..

i disagreewith most of it.

noteveryone can homeschool.not every school suits every child.
to say school teaches you to be dumb,well thats dumb.