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28-04-2011, 01:29   #31
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oh my god...there's a dr.sketchys at dublin??? *woohoo* I have to check, wether there is a venue when I will visit!!

I'm sorry ...I'm really excited as i never managed to visit a venue here in germany...its a 600km far from my hometown so i need to come to ireland to get in touch *haha*


I LOVE the burlesque way of life....for similar reasons as Jessibelle said.

It is not just the art of undressing (as stripping is.... and as we unfortunately saw too often and often too heartless)..... it the art of underlining your own beauty by dressing up very posh and feminin... and then removing it layer for layer.....
and stopping before the last layer...so its left to your imagination, what comes after that....

I really adore these women, not only the thin ones...eve plus size models...they are sooo gorgeous!!! so sexy, so self-confident....

I do boudoir-shootings from time to time... and have to say, that all the ladies that dare to shoot in such a tough feminin cloths, these women are rel ladies and tough women in their normal life. those with very strong character and lots of good attributes...

sorry...as I#m no native english speaker, its really difficult to express these little details and differences


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28-04-2011, 01:46   #32
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your right old goat burlesque in itself and on its own is an art form i didnt mean to demean it actually a huge fan myself i will defo pm you about lashings of ginger beer thanks so much that would be great if you could add it as an event.
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burlesque dancers... Glorified strippers

I really hope im not offending any one here but burlesque and stripping are almost exactly the same. I've been to a burlesque show in amsterdam (which i suppose would be over the top anyway being in amsterdam and all) and i was far from impressed. Like its nothing to do with woman bareing anything thats fine, in amsterdam I seen naked woman swinging off bars on the ceiling with my hubby. its just that i always thought that with burlesque you could be more sophisticated in your approach to dancing and be more in control???

Anyway was just really not impressed just seemed like glorified stripping to me....
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I really hope im not offending any one here but burlesque and stripping are almost exactly the same. I've been to a burlesque show in amsterdam (which i suppose would be over the top anyway being in amsterdam and all) and i was far from impressed. Like its nothing to do with woman bareing anything thats fine, in amsterdam I seen naked woman swinging off bars on the ceiling with my hubby. its just that i always thought that with burlesque you could be more sophisticated in your approach to dancing and be more in control???

Anyway was just really not impressed just seemed like glorified stripping to me....
well bar from Amsterdam, have you been to any Burlesque shows in Dublin?
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I'm open to correction, but as I understand it, the European origins of Burlesque were far more comedy-based than contemporary representations. It seems that incorporating elements of strip-tease originated in Paris, and then, like so many creative endeavours, the whole concept was put through the 'lowest-common denominator' mill when it hit the states, and Burlesque became synonymous with stripping/nudity I have a hard time reconciling this with, say, the Canterbury Tales.
I was under this impression as well, that burlesque was more a comedy of exaggeration and extravagance, and the nudity was just a by-product of it's shock tactics and subversiveness in the beginning of the last century. I just quickly scanned the wikipedia article and it seems to back this up. Is the there a more up to date definition of burlesque floating around there anywhere? And is nudity a necessary requirement for something to be considered burlesque?

I think like all things, you can't blanket label something "anti-feminist", it all depends on attitudes and context. The difference IMO between stripping and burlesque seems to be the majority of women who do burlesque seem to choose to be there, and seem to enjoy it to a certain degree and perhaps would be able to opt-out once they didn't want to do it anymore. Where-as with many women end up stripping for lack of options, and depending on the establishment can be treated very badly and there are clear links between stripping and sex trafficking and prostitution which are definite feminist and human rights issues. Burlesque doesn't seem to have these problems so much, but maybe I'm wrong, just throwing in my two cents.

I will say, the first time I went to a burlesque show, I was pretty pissed off that all I seemed to be witnessing was nipple tastles and clumsy unfunny comedy dance routines, I was expecting more of a variety in acts, and after a while, I felt like I was just waiting for the point when the nipple tastles would be out. But I went to a second show a while later, and this time not expecting to enjoy it at all, and I really enjoyed it, each act was different, and entertaining, and there was a particular kind of humour, that I think might have by-passed me the first time round.
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well bar from Amsterdam, have you been to any Burlesque shows in Dublin?

No actually, wouldnt mind seeing a show over here, i didnt know there was anything like that in ireland. can you mail me a location???
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Just check the events guide on the forum.

Something I've not listed there yet as I don't have full details but the Gorelesque crew are holding open auditions for anyone that fancies taking to the stage.
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I was so sorry to see the LoveCats farewell show, they're my favourite burlesque troupe and some shows I'd seen previously did seem to emphasise the sexy stripteases. It was nice to see a troupe bring comedy back into the proceedings. So I think anyone who says burlesque is just stripping has only had negative experiences of burlesque. There's much higher quality out there too, it varies so much from group to group.
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Not that stripping itself is a negative thing- that's a whole other kettle of fish- I just mean that burlesque is about so much more than nudity. It's the dances, the sketches, the jokes, the performers, the music, the atmosphere, the outfits AND the nudity. If you're missing any of these, I personally hesitate to call it burlesque.
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Just a quick point here. There is NO nudity in burlesque shows. Exposure of genetialia will loose the club it's license.

The Public Order Act of 1935 (AFAIK) criminalizes nudity and thats why burlesque performers wear tassels* on their final reveal.

*Tassels, duct tape, insulating tape - basically anything that cover the nipples. And no, paint is NOT included. Nipple exposure rules only applies to women .

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You're absolutely right, nudity is the wrong term. I just meant the tease elements! Point very much taken OldGoat, thanks.
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Oh my, how did I miss this.

Mrs CD & myself attended some events for the retro glamour ,style & wit.

Then again, I am not too sophisticated to enjoy the art of the circus.
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Just finished reading How To Be A Woman, a book by Caitlin Moran which somebody else in the house got for Christmas. I'm not sure who she is to be honest but the book it interesting, sort of her own look at feminism and what it means. She writes about visiting a strip club in one chapter and winds up giving her two cents about burlesque:

"We shouldn't have a problem with burlesque - lap-dancing's older, darker, cleverer sister. Yes, I know, it's stripping in front of men for cash. Given the patriarchy and all that, I can see how many would say "But that is like eschewing Daffy Duck and then loving George Costanza from Seinfeld. They are both essentially the same thing."

But of course they are not. The difference between a burlesque artist putting on a single show in front of hundreds and a stripper on an eight-hour shift, going one-on-one, is immense: The polarity between being a minstrel for a bored monarch, playing whatever the monarch asks for, and U2 playing Wembley Stadium.

With burlesque, not only does the power balance rest with the person taking their clothes off - as it always should do, in polite society - but it also anchors its heart in freaky, late-night, libertine self-expression: it has a campy, tranny, fetish element to it. It's not, to use the technical term - an "easy wank".

Additionally, despite its intense stylisation of sexuality, it doesn't have the oddly aggressive, humourless air of the strip club: burlesque artists sing, talk and laugh. They tell jokes - something unthinkable in the inexplicably po-faced atmosphere of a lap-dancing club, which treats male/female interactions with all the gravitas of Cold War-era meetings between Russia and the USA, rather than a potential hoot. Perhaps as a direct consequence, burlesque artists treat their own sexuality as something fabulous and enjoyable, rather than something bordering on a weapon, to be ground, unsmilingly, into the face of the sweaty idiot punter below.

Because, most importantly, burlesque clubs feel like a place for girls. Strip-clubs do not. Watching good burlesque in action, you can see female sexuality; a performance with the value system of a woman: beautiful lighting, glossy hair, absurd (giant cocktail glasses, huge feather fans) accessories, velvet corsets, fashionable shoes, Ava Gardner eyeliner, pale skin, classy manicures, humour, and a huge round of applause at the end - instead of an uncomfortable, half-hidden erection, and silence.

Burlesque artists have names - Dita Von Teese, Gypsy Rose Lee, Immodesty Blaize, Tempest Storm, Miss Dirty Martini - that make them sound like sexual superheroes. They explore sexuality from a position of strength, with ideas, and protection, and a culture that allows them to do, creatively, as they please. They are dames and broads and women - rather than the slightly cold-looking girls you see in strip-clubs. Their personas embrace the entire spectrum of sexuality - fun, wit, warmth, inventiveness, innocence, power, darkness - rather than the bloodless aerobics of the podium.

Do you know what the final rule of thumb is with strip-clubs? Gay men wouldn't be seen dead in Spearmint Rhino - but you can't move for them in a burlesque joint. As a rule of thumb, you can always tell if a place is culturally healthy for women when the gays start rocking up. They are for glitter, filth and fun - rather than a factory-farm wank-trigger with (and I can say this now) very acidic house champagne"


Sorry if this is overly long (or overly late) I just thought this point of view might be interesting to some of you.
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