[koth]

Originally Posted by J C

... I know I'm not an Ape ...
... the point I'm making is that when I was an Evolutionist I believed that I was an Ape ...
... a belief that most other Evolutionists also subscribe to!!!

I seriously doubt that actual evolutionists believe they are apes. Even a 5 year old can tell the difference between an ape and a human. It really is shocking that primary, secondary and a college education was needed before you had that realisation.

Here is what one of your fellow Evolutionists has to say about Humans being Apes:-
Quote:-
"All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. Actually, we are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.
Despite many arguments by people to the contrary, I'd never seriously questioned the fact that humans are apes. After all, I acquired that particular tidbit of knowledge from my father, who is an anthropologist and therefore should know."

More distorting of what people say.

for anyone who is interested, here's the complete quote that JC dishonestly presented in edited form:

Humans did not come from apes. No qualified person in the scientific community has ever made that claim, including Darwin. All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. Actually, we are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.
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Truly shameful stuff, JC.

and btw, you still have to explain why you dismissed the article about the worm being an ancestor to modern man.

[J C]

Originally Posted by dlofnep

It's already been explained a few pages back. You're arguing from personal incredulity again (as per usual). 'Polystrate fossils' are well understood and do not contradict the dating of the Earth at 4.5 billion years old.

... I'm arguing from damning evidence against millions of years being represented by rock layers that are several metres deep!!
... so how exactly do ye guys explain polystrate fossils ???
... or is is yet another Evolutionist miracle ... that just happened to happen ???

[J C]

Originally Posted by koth

I seriously doubt that actual evolutionists believe they are apes. Even a 5 year old can tell the difference between an ape and a human. It really is shocking that primary, secondary and a college education was needed before you had that realisation.:eek:

It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

Originally Posted by koth

More distorting of what people say.
I've distorted nothing!!
for anyone who is interested, here's the complete quote that JC dishonestly presented in edited form:
Humans did not come from apes. No qualified person in the scientific community has ever made that claim, including Darwin. All apes and humans are desceneded from a single proto-ape species that lived millions of years ago and no longer exists. Thus humans can be said to be closely related to the other apes, but we are certainly not descended from them. Actually, we are apes, no less so than chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans and gibbons. Whether or not you choose to subscribe to evolutionary theory, there is no doubt that all human beings, including Jesus Christ himself, are classified, both genetically and morphologically as an ape species.


Truly shameful stuff, JC.

Nothing shameful about it ... the quote clearly states that Humans didn't come from Apes ... but that they are Apes.
If you recall, that was my original point (that I believed myself to be an Ape when I was an Evolutionist.

Originally Posted by J C

You guys are starting to learn Creation Science ... slowly ... and against your wills ... but ye are learning it nontheless!!!
I was a bit like that myself, when I first discovered that I wasn't an Ape with a large Cranium ... I went into denial and had a personal faith crisis ... in W2M Evolution.

As ye are now saying that ye don't believe yourselves to be Apes ... this is another indication that ye are moving in the direction of Creationism ... and away from Evolutionism.
That was also my first step towards Creationism ... when I stopped believing that I was an Ape!!!
Welcome to the world of Creation Science ... but don't say anything to your fellow Evolutionists ... they tend to get very emotional if they are told that somebody is rejecting W2M Evolution.

Originally Posted by koth

and btw, you still have to explain why you dismissed the article about the worm being an ancestor to modern man.

Missing CFSI !!!!

[koth]

Originally Posted by J C

It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

Descended from a common ancestor, and not a silver-back in a suit.

Nothing shameful about it ... the quote clearly states that Humans didn't come from Apes ... but they are Apes.
If you recall, that was my original point (that I believed myself to be an Ape when I was an Evolutionist.

It says that we're descended from a common ancestor.

As ye are now saying that ye don't believe yourselves to be Apes ... this is another indication that ye are moving in the direction of Creationism ... and away from Evolutionism.
That was also my first step towards Creationism ... when I stopped believing that I was an Ape!!!

Sorry, I'm not Christian and I've no plans to convert.

Missing CFSI !!!!

well first you best define what CFSI is, and I don't mean what each word means. I mean what the actual term means. And then you can explain what exactly is missing that backs up your claim.

[J C]

Originally Posted by koth

Descended from a common ancestor, and not a silver-back in a suit.

It says that we're descended from a common ancestor.

It also says that we are Apes!!!

... but it's nice to see that ye don't believe that ye are Apes ... progress in the direction of Creation Science at last!!!!

Originally Posted by koth

Sorry, I'm not Christian and I've no plans to convert.

You have the freedom to choose to be Saved ... or lost.

Originally Posted by koth

well first you best define what CFSI is, and I don't mean what each word means. I mean what the actual term means. And then you can explain what exactly is missing that backs up your claim.

CFSI is the stuff that causes the difference between a worm and a Human!!!
Happy now???

[Doctor Jimbob]

Originally Posted by J C

It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

I'll take my third level education over the inane ramblings of cretinist nutjobs anyway, thanks.

Nothing shameful about it ... the quote clearly states that Humans didn't come from Apes ... but that they are Apes.
If you recall, that was my original point (that I believed myself to be an Ape when I was an Evolutionist.

But J C, surely even from a creationist viewpoint there must be some evidence that humans and apes are related. If all big cats (which can look quite different while sharing genetic and physical traits) came from the 'big cat baramin' or whatever the fuck you called it, then surely to be consistent you must also believe that humans and apes (which look quite different while sharing genetic and physical traits) are also related. Either that or you're just being inconsistant and picking and choosing when you want to bring any form of science into the debate.
Wait, actually, im starting to see a pattern here....

As ye are now saying that ye don't believe yourselves to be Apes ... this is another indication that ye are moving in the direction of Creationism ... and away from Evolutionism.
That was also my first step towards Creationism ... when I stopped believing that I was an Ape!!!

All this word twisting is getting a bit tiresome.
I'd say it's more likely your first step to creationism was when you got a blow to the head.

Missing CFSI !!!!

Which, as any sane person knows, isn't even a real thing.

[robindch]

Originally Posted by J C

It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!

Shocking to a creationist perhaps, but I think that's probably ok with most people here.

[Sarky]

No definition of cfsi in the last few of J C's posts.

It's official then- he has admitted he can't do it, and that Dembski was lying.

[J C]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob

I'll take my third level education over the inane ramblings of cretinist nutjobs anyway, thanks.

No argument ... just an unfounded Ad Hominem.

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob

But J C, surely even from a creationist viewpoint there must be some evidence that humans and apes are related. If all big cats (which can look quite different while sharing genetic and physical traits) came from the 'big cat baramin' or whatever the fuck you called it, then surely to be consistent you must also believe that humans and apes (which look quite different while sharing genetic and physical traits) are also related. Either that or you're just being inconsistant and picking and choosing when you want to bring any form of science into the debate.
Wait, actually, im starting to see a pattern here....

Many of the Cat species are interfertile to some degree and they all share an almost identical anatomy and body proprtions. Humans and Apes aren't interfertile to any degree ... and their anatomy and body proportions are distinctly different.
So the Creation Science position is objectively correct and consistent.

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob

All this word twisting is getting a bit tiresome.
I'd say it's more likely your first step to creationism was when you got a blow to the head.




Which, as any sane person knows, isn't even a real thing.

No argument ... just two more unfounded Ad Hominems.

[Doctor Jimbob]

Originally Posted by J C

It also says that we are Apes!!!

Which makes more sense to a lot of people than the whole 'magically appeared out of thin air' argument put forward by your lot.

... but it's nice to see that ye don't believe that ye are Apes ... progress in the direction of Creation Science at last!!!!

I don't think the word 'progress' should ever be used with the words 'creation science'

You have the freedom to choose to be Saved ... or lost.

Yes J C we get it, you're scared of dying so you're kissing god's ring in the hope it gets you into the afterlife. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy my life.

CFSI is the stuff that causes the difference between a worm and a Human!!!
Happy now???

Even for you that's a breathtakingly idiotic statement.

[Doctor Jimbob]

Originally Posted by J C

No argument ... just an unfounded Ad Hominem.

I wouldn't say unfounded.

Many of the Cat species are interfertile to some degree and they all share an almost identical anatomy and body proprtions. Humans and Apes aren't interfertile to any degree ... and their anatomy and body proportions are distinctly different.
So the Creation Science position is objectively correct and consistent.

How about the relationship between big cats and ehhhh....small cats then. They can't get it on. Are they related? Or did the big man just like the design so much he used it twice. Perhaps he was hungover one morning, couldn't really be arsed thinking up something new, and just said 'right, fuck it lads we'll just use this one again. But make it smaller. Yeah sure, that works'

No argument ... just two unfounded Ad Hominems.

You've avoided about 90% of the arguments put to you in this thread.

[J C]

Originally Posted by J C
It's even more shocking that guys with third level education believe Humans are Apes!!!


robindch
Shocking to a creationist perhaps, but I think that's probably ok with most people here.

Koth seems to think that Evolutionists don't believe they are Apes ... and is shocked that even a 5 year old would believe such nonesense!!!
... whereas you seem to think that most people on the thread think they are Apes.

Originally Posted by koth
I seriously doubt that actual evolutionists believe they are apes. Even a 5 year old can tell the difference between an ape and a human. It really is shocking that primary, secondary and a college education was needed before you had that realisation

Ye really are a mixed up bunch of dudes ... not knowing your Apes from your elbows ... to coin a phrase!!!

[Doctor Jimbob]

Ye really are a mixed up bunch of dudes ... not knowing your Apes from your elbows ... to coin a phrase!!!

Straight from the Richie Kavanagh school of comedy.

[J C]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob

Which makes more sense to a lot of people than the whole 'magically appeared out of thin air' argument put forward by your lot.

... so which is it?
... do ye believe ye are Apes ... just like I said ... and if ye do what have ye been arguing about for the past two pages? ... or do ye not know your Apes from your elbows???

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob

I don't think the word 'progress' should ever be used with the words 'creation science'

Wait until you become a Creation Scientist ... that will change your mind !!!

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob

Yes J C we get it, you're scared of dying so you're kissing god's ring in the hope it gets you into the afterlife. Good luck with that. Meanwhile, I'll just enjoy my life.

Why should I be scared? ... I'm Saved.
... now, if I were like you ... and still Lost ... I might be afraid ... very afraid!!!

J C
CFSI is the stuff that causes the difference between a worm and a Human!!!

Doctor Jimbob
Even for you that's a breathtakingly idiotic statement.

No argument ... just another unfounded Ad Hominem.
... and CFSI is indeed the stuff that causes the difference between a worm and a Human!!!

[J C]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jimbob

Straight from the Richie Kavanagh school of comedy.

... ye don't have a focail at all !!!