[nowecant]

I have not heard or seen any mention of it. However from looking at the videos about the project it looks like there has been some planning for future integration with this site. If you take a look at the 2008 video here in the first minute where the hand comes up there are a few access points to the campus, which cut across the Broadstone bus garage.

There is the main entrance which seems to be exactly where there Maxoil stations is on Constitution Hill, there is also a second one which exists the site in the north east corner near "Marne Villas" off "Rathdown Road" and comes out on Phibsborough Road. I believe from looking at the map that this will be beside a small church south of "Monck Place" This will break up the bus garage and frame the site for future development. This entrance would be perfect for any students trying to access the college from the Phibsborough direction.

Also if you look to the end of this video, about a minute from the end id say there is a section about the Broadstone entrance, they call it "Key Master plan Principle 6 Broadstone: A City Space" when the video changes over to the artists view of the entrance it appears that there is a lot more development of the buss garage than a simple entrance.

The recent 2011 video here also seems to suggest future expansion into the bus garage.

I do remember hearing something once about CIE/Iarnród Éireann not wanting to give RPA and Luas access to the site saying that they had long term plans for reintroducing the railway there. However the Minister for transport at the time... Seamus Brennen I believe came out strongly against their idea.

[nowecant]

Also I just noticed while looking at Google maps that it appears some work has already taken place on the site. By looking at google street view at the top of Mornign Star Avenue the site looks like it has been cleaned up and has heave construction equipment there. I have no idea how long ago these pictures where taken though.

[nowecant]

Originally Posted by nowecant

Also I just noticed while looking at Google maps that it appears some work has already taken place on the site. By looking at google street view at the top of Mornign Star Avenue the site looks like it has been cleaned up and has heave construction equipment there. I have no idea how long ago these pictures where taken though.

I just seen this when going a quick search. At least its building work on the site! The project comprises demolition and associated activities but the main works consist of the permanent removal of two invasive plant species, namely Giant Hogweed and Japanese Knotwood.

You can see an aerial view of this site here with pictures of what it currently looks like and what the site is meant to look like.

[nowecant]

Some very good news on this

"CITY councillors last night approved the framework for the development of the new €480m Dublin Institute of Technology campus."

I will have to take a look at the An Taisce objections at a later stage

[Cathaoirleach]

some local residents have objected to buildings which would rise to 16 storeys.

ffs.

[markpb]

Originally Posted by Rock of Gibraltar

Is there any talk of doing something with the old Broadstone Station to complement the new campus. Other than the luas line
Seems like an enormous waste of space and of a building to have the Bus Eireann depot in there. Given it's central Dublin location.

It's also a DB depot too and, while it ain't pretty, having depots close to the city centre is very useful.

[dowlingm]

I'm a bit sceptical about the 16 floors thing actually (I work on the 39th floor of a commercial building so I have no problem with heights per se).

First off, a group of towers in a low rise streetscape can be jarring. We're not talking about docklands or somewhere else where there are pre-existing 8-10 storey structures. A lot of people in Toronto like the "towers in the park" (usually beside subway stations) but I think it's odd looking to have random clusters of buildings like that.

More importantly though, I'd be interested to know what would be going on the upper floors of these buildings. Undergrad students have to bounce from place to place during their day, so elevator capacity could quickly become saturated from xx.50-xx.05. Maybe it would work for postgraduate or administrative office space but for lectures, labs, libraries etc those should be on lower floors. There should also be interconnects between buildings at +2/+3 level (similar to the ones in UL) and/or basement concourses so that students can go between buildings without saturating lobby areas during working hours.

[munchkin_utd]

the Ashby Building for mech eng in Queens is 10 storys and there was never a massive problem on lift capacity when I was studing there.

That said - it's about planning!
The main big lecture theatre and computer labs were on the bottom floor and if I remember right any other large-ish lecture theatres also only on the lower floors so also doable by the stairs if you are stuck, with upper floors being research labs and offices.

The canteen was in the basement along with more research labs.

So 10 storeys if very doable once you have the business end of things in the first few stories.

[eia340600]

Originally Posted by dowlingm

I'm a bit sceptical about the 16 floors thing actually (I work on the 39th floor of a commercial building so I have no problem with heights per se).

First off, a group of towers in a low rise streetscape can be jarring. We're not talking about docklands or somewhere else where there are pre-existing 8-10 storey structures. A lot of people in Toronto like the "towers in the park" (usually beside subway stations) but I think it's odd looking to have random clusters of buildings like that.

More importantly though, I'd be interested to know what would be going on the upper floors of these buildings. Undergrad students have to bounce from place to place during their day, so elevator capacity could quickly become saturated from xx.50-xx.05. Maybe it would work for postgraduate or administrative office space but for lectures, labs, libraries etc those should be on lower floors. There should also be interconnects between buildings at +2/+3 level (similar to the ones in UL) and/or basement concourses so that students can go between buildings without saturating lobby areas during working hours.

The only tall building will be used for student housing.It's a focal point at "Library Square" and at a mere 40 something metres I can't really see it standing out too much.

[FreudianSlippers]

For the life of me I'll never understand this aversion to tall buildings in Ireland

[Aard]

People looking over you in your back-garden, doing ... back-garden-y things.

[dowlingm]

except that's more a problem with midsize buildings - big enough to see over the fence, not so big that people look like moving grains of rice

[gjim]

Originally Posted by FreudianSlippers

For the life of me I'll never understand this aversion to tall buildings in Ireland

I guess we were influenced by seeing the damage caused to many medium sized UK cities by plonking completely out-of-scale tall buildings in random locations. Many such tall buildings now look incredibly dated and are accepted as having damaged long existing urban fabric.

It's best to cluster tall buildings together but unfortunately the opportunity to create a high rise perfectly located quarter in the city was lost by the DDDAs insistence on relatively low height limits. The docklands should have been laid out to accommodate a grid of 10+ story buildings but instead we got a lot of bland medium/low height officepark type buildings.

[nowecant]

Just found an older article in Science Spin in relation to the new campus if anyone’s interested. http://www.sciencespin.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/

This has a very good map of the proposed campus with entrances to the grounds. However what intrigues me most as i mentioned earlier is the possibility of an additional entrance on Phibsborough Road between the Fire station and Grangegorman Church.

Its marked on the map as a green line which extends north towards the proposed Grangegorman Luas stop. It then continues east across the bus garage and then over towards the Blessington street basin.

Has anyone got any thoughts on this? Am I reading to much into a line on a map?

[nowecant]

While I’m not happy that its being reported that both the metro north and the dart underground are to be dropped or "deferred" it looks like the Luas line BXD which links both the existing lines and continues through to the new Grangegorman site and then links up with the Maynooth line at Broombridge will go ahead.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...302301839.html

Good news for the college and for staff and students in the future.