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09-06-2010, 17:40   #1
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changing my son's name to a double barrelled surname

my son currently has his dad's surname. his father and i are separated and i want to change his surname to include mine also. i've checked the citizen's information website but just got confused with whether its by deed poll or not!! any info on how to proceed would really help
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09-06-2010, 18:15   #2
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Hi,
You can have a childs name changed on the birth certificate only if you are unmarried when the child is born (since 2005) and you subsequently marry and want to change to the fathers surname, this doesnt work backwards for seperation - so in this case, you wont be changing the birth cert.

Your other options are to change it by deed poll, but you will need the consent of the father and you will need to present the deed poll with the birth certificate whenever the birth certificate is required as it reflects the legal status of the name change.

You CAN just change it by common usage, so in other words you can just start using the new name and call your son by it and over time it becomes his name - if he wants to reflect that legally later on he could change it by deed poll himself.

However - before doing any of the above, ask yourself, why do you want to change it? You are seperated from his father, but the nature of the relationship between father and son has not changed so if you were happy for him to have his fathers surname before, why not now?

I just say the above because its quite possible a name change will only add extra resentment to a seperation, and that your son may decide to go back to his birth cert name later anyway.

Also - how old is the child, is this something he will be aware of and possibly attach a negative connotation to as well?
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10-06-2010, 10:25   #3
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from citizens information

Changing the surname of a child

"The surname of a child can be changed in the Register of Births but only in certain circumstances. However, the surname of a child can also be changed by deed poll or common usage. Children aged between 14 and 17 years can execute the Deed Poll themselves but need the consent of both parents. Where a child is under the age of 14 years, one of the child's parents must execute the Deed Poll with the consent of the other parent."

you need agreement from the other parent..
you will probably witness most of the child's childhood - maybe leave
the surname as it is
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My daughter decided to double-barrel hers when she started secondary school. She is registered at the school with the double surname and she has asked the doctor and the library so far to change it in their records. Common usage is probably the easiest way and you don't have to ask anyone's permission to do that.

When I got married I kept my own name as well as taking his and just changed it at the bank etc. Never got asked for any official proof. Even when I applied for my passport, prior to getting married, all I had to do was fill in the new surname. Now I'm separated I am doing it all in reverse.
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just a query on this topic.. am unmarried and separated from childs father. When we registered i gave 1st name, middle name, then used my surname as a middle name, then the fathers surname..NOT double barrelled. It was pointed out by family member that my surname will not be carried down as I have 1 brother, but he will not be having any children. I really want to start using my surname, not just because we separated, but for keeping the name going also. I reckon common usage is the way to go, but has anybody any insights on to the fact that my surname is already there, but as a middle name... (hope this makes sense)
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Please do not take this the wrong way OP, but are you doing this as a control thing for you or for the betterment of your child. My mother did it out of spite, and tbh, I have no idea what name is on half my stuff now.

My household bills - Her surname because there is not enough room for both on the paper.

My passport - both names as a double-barrel.

My birth cert - My fathers name.

It is a pain is the arse that parents don't seem to realise when they do these things. Please think of the convenience to your child too. I do not mean this in any harsh way please do not think that. But just as someone who has had to grow up with the awkwardness of it.

I have split from my sons father. He had his father's name then and he still does now. It is his name and at the age of 18 if he wants to change it to Philip MaGee then off with him, but I would not do it to him out of anger/resentment/annoyance of his father.
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I'm not married and my first child was born in 93 when the child's surname was not put on the birth cert. She went by my surname. In '00, when our second child was born, and children's surnames were being entered on the birth cert, we decided to give no. 2 the double barrelled surname. To have the two the same we had already started to call our eldest by the double barrelled name. We asked could this be now entered on the birth cert, and were told no by the registrar, and what we were doing was essentially illegal. She said since we were not married, it was assumed the child had my surname, and it was illegal to call her by both names. I went to my local Citizen's Advice and was told that this was madness, that your name is by reputation and a child can go by any surname, and that there was no need to change the eldest by deed poll, as those were the days when the surname wasn't on the birth cert anyway.
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Not a fan of double barrel names, I think its selfish. Do do.you expect their kids to have treble barrel. Or even quadruple barrel names
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08-06-2011, 21:43   #9
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whats in a name

I included the two names on the birth cert and it turns out the fathers side never uses the paternal name when addressing the child in the post anyhow. Im the only one who uses it on official documents. Am going to change it too since no one seems to be bothered about it.

You can do it by deed poll but if the dad has guardianship you will need to get him on board.
 
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I'm not married and my first child was born in 93 when the child's surname was not put on the birth cert. She went by my surname. In '00, when our second child was born, and children's surnames were being entered on the birth cert, we decided to give no. 2 the double barrelled surname. To have the two the same we had already started to call our eldest by the double barrelled name. We asked could this be now entered on the birth cert, and were told no by the registrar, and what we were doing was essentially illegal. She said since we were not married, it was assumed the child had my surname, and it was illegal to call her by both names. I went to my local Citizen's Advice and was told that this was madness, that your name is by reputation and a child can go by any surname, and that there was no need to change the eldest by deed poll, as those were the days when the surname wasn't on the birth cert anyway.
As someone born in 1992 and with a brother born in 1993, I can assure you that we both have our surname on our Birth Certificates. I can not imagine why it wouldn't be there, the whole point of a birth certificate is to register the birth and family details of the child!!!
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As someone born in 1992 and with a brother born in 1993, I can assure you that we both have our surname on our Birth Certificates. I can not imagine why it wouldn't be there, the whole point of a birth certificate is to register the birth and family details of the child!!!
I was born in 1987 and my surname is not on my birth cert?? Just my First and Middle name...
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ted1 I think that the choice is up to the individual.. I certainly am not a fan of double barrelled names but in hindsight i really wish I had gone for it with my son, so being he could be known by either one, the other, or both.
@wolfpawnat i think ur reply is very individualistic to ur own circumstance and does not really help when you state "but are you doing this as a control thing for you or for the betterment of your child" . I am not sure who this statement is aimed at but I for one disagree with it being a control "thing", It doesn't, at the end of the day, change whom the father is. Parentally, the mother gets guardianship so surely the child will feel more comfortable carrying the surname of the person that they spend the most time with, still "belonging" to the family unit as it were. I also have older twins whom lost their father when they were two, they carry his surname and are comfortable with it as they have lots of family from his side with the same name that stay in touch. My son will not have that, and so will feel somewhat different, I think. All comments welcome
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I was born in 1987 and my surname is not on my birth cert?? Just my First and Middle name...
That is interesting January, I have seen my parents birth certs (late 1950s/early 60's) and their surnames are listed aswell. I didn't know that they were ever done without a surname, seems very strange to me!

Back OT, as far as I know you can just change your sons name through common usage in school, among family and friends etc.
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I dont think there was ever a time when surname was not listed on birth cert, I have family birth certs from 1930s, 50s, 70s and 00s, just checked and they all have surnames.
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OP I have to agree with those who are questioning your motives for this name change - it could be perceived as a controlling act.

My own memory of childhood was that schoolmates with double-barrelled names got an unmerciful slagging for it , yes I know children can be cruel but its a fact of life.
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