[pixelburp]

Originally Posted by stankratz

Batman will appear in this scene as he did in BB where he first approached Gordan in his office, black clothes, balaclava.

Maybe - I'd have to watch the trailer again, but I think Bale was speaking in his own voice, not Batman's gravelly tones. He says something like "What if he didn't exist anymore?" or a line to that effect; it wouldn't make sense if he were standing in any kind of disguise or the full costume.

Gordon & Batman already trust each other enough to create the fake manhunt, don't think it's that big a leap for Gordon to learn Bats' identity.

[phil1nj]

Originally Posted by stankratz

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As for a back-breaking scene, i'm not ruling that out, but personally I don't see that happening. My take on it is that Batman/ Wayne will disappear for the bulk of the 8 years as to the public he is now a murderer. If this is going to be coming full circle and tying in with Batman Begins (as has been mentioned by Nolan and some of the actors) I wouldn't be surprised to see more footage of Bruce in the wilderness, trying to find himself again. In the meantime, Bane comes in and is allowed to run rampant in Gotham. Hence Gordan's "The bat must come back".
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I don't know about this. There has already been leaked on set footage of Bruce Wayne turning up at a hotel and using a cane to hobble to the entrance. Also, looking at the teaser trailer again (with an injured Gordon lying in a hospital bed), it appears that Bruce Wayne is resting a hand on a cane also. Couple that with the final shot of a clearly in trouble Batman staggering back from Bane's approach, these to me suggest some sort of physical trauma will beset the Batman.

[Sad Professor]

Originally Posted by stankratz

Essentially that was probably a factor in the decision to leap forward 8 years. Not because they can't come up with a decent story but because it will help seem realistic that there isn't a whole lot of talk about Joker and his trail of destruction. I'm expecting a few throwaway comments to update us on the Joker's status, and ideally that sucks, but ideally Heath Ledger wouldn't have left us so young. I'm sure when they filmed the TDK ending, they had a rough idea where they wanted to bring the 3rd movie, but all bets were off once Ledger died. Whatever TDKR is like, it won't be the movie originally intended. I'm not saying it will be worse, in fact i'm fully expecting it to melt faces

Perhaps, and if that’s the case I’ll be very disappointed. But the best possible reason I can see for the 8 year gap is that Bruce is paralysed and recovering from a broken spine during those years. As we discussed many times in this thread, the problem of how to break Batman’s back in a 2 hour film and have him recover in time to kick ass again isn’t easy to solve. Jumping ahead 8 years would be the best way to get around this problem. After 8 years Bruce would almost certainly be enjoying some limited recovery from his physical injuries, allowing the rest of the film to focus on his mental recovery.

Of course, this doesn’t explain what Bane is doing during those years. But maybe he breaks Batman only to get captured and imprisoned afterwards. Then he breaks free 8 years later and starts his reign of terror.

[stankratz]

Mickeroo I'm sorry if I 'spoiled' anything on you, but as I feel very strongly that the prologue is fake, I haven't spoiled anything on you. Seriously if you actually read it, your heart would almost jump out of your chest it is that good, but it screams fan fiction and there is simply far too much in it to fit into 6 minutes.

I want to see Batman broken, I want to see him reduced to a pile of bones on the ground, it just increases the stakes to make the come-back all the more enthralling. That scene from the teaser where he's stumbling as Bane marches towards him, that's the kinda shít I'm looking for.

Sad Professor that would make for an excellent marketing campaign alright, and not out of line with the 'I believe in Harvey Dent' campaign for TDK. I just feel that the prologue is going to be a Bane origin story/ introduction to the L.O.S.

For the record, I am a Batman freak but have never read the comics It is only now in my late 20s that I'm getting the urge to pick up a comic.

Oh and I'd totally love if the 'leaked prologue' was genuine, just can't see it for my previous reasons.

[Chinpool]

Originally Posted by stankratz

For the record, I am a Batman freak but have never read the comics It is only now in my late 20s that I'm getting the urge to pick up a comic.

[stankratz]

Originally Posted by pixelburp

Maybe - I'd have to watch the trailer again, but I think Bale was speaking in his own voice, not Batman's gravelly tones. He says something like "What if he didn't exist anymore?" or a line to that effect; it wouldn't make sense if he were standing in any kind of disguise or the full costume.

Gordon & Batman already trust each other enough to create the fake manhunt, don't think it's that big a leap for Gordon to learn Bats' identity.

No I don't think it would be a big leap either, in fact I want Gordan to know. But Bales voice in that scene from the teaser sounded very much to me like the voice he used in BB where he first approached Gordan. I.e. Not Batman's but not Wayne's either, it is a loud whisper. Jesus I don't want to come across here as a 'know it all' and dismissing decent people's ideas. I have no inside info to back up my theories, just using the bit of common sense I bought in a car boot sale last week. We're all on the same side here, we want this movie to rock and to 'f**k off' the "Nolan's Batman sucks/ Bane isn't big enough" brigade!

[stankratz]

Originally Posted by Sad Professor

Perhaps, and if that’s the case I’ll be very disappointed. But the best possible reason I can see for the 8 year gap is that Bruce is paralysed and recovering from a broken spine during those years. As we discussed many times in this thread, the problem of how to break Batman’s back in a 2 hour film and have him recover in time to kick ass again isn’t easy to solve. Jumping ahead 8 years would be the best way to get around this problem. After 8 years Bruce would almost certainly be enjoying some limited recovery from his physical injuries, allowing the rest of the film to focus on his mental recovery.

Of course, this doesn’t explain what Bane is doing during those years. But maybe he breaks Batman only to get captured and imprisoned afterwards. Then he breaks free 8 years later and starts his reign of terror.

You just basically wrote my response with your second paragraph! Before the revelation that this will take place 8 years after TDK, I would have said there was absolutely no way they could break Batman's back. But now with their timeline jump it is possible. But that just raises a load more questions for me , like you acknowledged, what does Bane do with all this time? But maybe, rather than get imprisoned, he does build an empire over 8 years that brings Gotham to it's knees, again significantly raising the steaks for Batman. Ahhh this is gonna be f**king epic!!

[Handsome Bob]

That's the one doubt I have about a back breaking happening though, surely Bane wouldn't be allowed to build up an empire in Gotham over 8 years? There are outside forces that wouldn't let that happen. It's almost like expecting the US military not to care that someone has basically annexed a city of the US.

[Liamario]

Originally Posted by Handsome Bob

That's the one doubt I have about a back breaking happening though, surely Bane wouldn't be allowed to build up an empire in Gotham over 8 years? There are outside forces that wouldn't let that happen. It's almost like expecting the US military not to care that someone has basically annexed a city of the US.

I agree, I suspect that batman is more likely to be in hiding, watching all the crime happen from the shadows. But, as Bane shows up in his small military outfit, batman has to come back.

[phil1nj]

Originally Posted by Handsome Bob

That's the one doubt I have about a back breaking happening though, surely Bane wouldn't be allowed to build up an empire in Gotham over 8 years? There are outside forces that wouldn't let that happen. It's almost like expecting the US military not to care that someone has basically annexed a city of the US.

Unless, as already suggested, he's in prision and building his empire from within (recruiting some of the guys Batman put away). This would tie in with the leaked pictures/footage of the suppossed prision break seen so far.

Also, the league of shadows will make a re-appearence via Talia Al Ghul so it's not like he is totally on his own in taking over Gotham (and the league have been around for centuries so an 8 year wait is not that long for them). It'll be interesting to see how all of theses strands get tied together.

[pixelburp]

Originally Posted by Handsome Bob

That's the one doubt I have about a back breaking happening though, surely Bane wouldn't be allowed to build up an empire in Gotham over 8 years? There are outside forces that wouldn't let that happen. It's almost like expecting the US military not to care that someone has basically annexed a city of the US.

Yeah, this has been my first thought about the rumours Bane was going to stage a coup in the city; surely the state or national authorities would come steaming in at the first sign of trouble. That at a minimum they would send in the National Guard once Bane & his mercs turn up.

[Turtyturd]

Originally Posted by Handsome Bob

That's the one doubt I have about a back breaking happening though, surely Bane wouldn't be allowed to build up an empire in Gotham over 8 years? There are outside forces that wouldn't let that happen. It's almost like expecting the US military not to care that someone has basically annexed a city of the US.

If it wasn't for Nolans 'realistic' take on Batman that would be a nice connection to the Cataclysm/No-Mans Land storyline.

Events over the 8 years cause the Government to walk away from Gotham and when everyone is left to fend for themselves Bane rises to the top. Gordon leads a bunch of police officers who stay behind attempting to maintain Law and order but ends up seriously injured by Bane leading to the hospital scene. Cue Batmans return/big showdown with Bane and the final scene of him looking over a crumbling Gotham talking about how it can be rebuilt, mirroring the end of Batman Begins.

Dunno if it has already been mentioned but it would be nice to see Batman being broken in the prologue...yes it is a big secne which people need to be aware of but if it was marketed right everyone would be aware of it prior to going to see that movie and it would allow for the film to begin 8 years later. Plastering a big scsene like that all over the media would also help increase anticipation.

Aint been in this thread in a while but it is nice to have a concrete idea of what is going on and not have to read post after post debating the qualities of Eddie Murphy vs Johnny Depp for playing the riddler....or that Eric Roberts will be the Penguin because his legs got squashed when Batman threw him from a balcony.

[Mickeroo]

Originally Posted by stankratz

Mickeroo I'm sorry if I 'spoiled' anything on you, but as I feel very strongly that the prologue is fake, I haven't spoiled anything on you. Seriously if you actually read it, your heart would almost jump out of your chest it is that good, but it screams fan fiction and there is simply far too much in it to fit into 6 minutes.

Ah yer grand even if itdoes turn out to be true its only the first 6 minutes anyway THing is I have this niggling thing at the back of y mind that Nolan wants us to know all this stuff only to completely surprise us with the actual film. Security was so tight when the TDK was being filmed, there were very little details available that I find it hard to believe they would let so much get out about this one. He's a cooking up something

Originally Posted by stankratz

I want to see Batman broken, I want to see him reduced to a pile of bones on the ground, it just increases the stakes to make the come-back all the more enthralling. That scene from the teaser where he's stumbling as Bane marches towards him, that's the kinda shít I'm looking for.

Sad Professor that would make for an excellent marketing campaign alright, and not out of line with the 'I believe in Harvey Dent' campaign for TDK. I just feel that the prologue is going to be a Bane origin story/ introduction to the L.O.S.

For the record, I am a Batman freak but have never read the comics It is only now in my late 20s that I'm getting the urge to pick up a comic.

Oh and I'd totally love if the 'leaked prologue' was genuine, just can't see it for my previous reasons.

You really need to get on to that man!! Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, THe Kiling Joke, Knightfall, The Long Holloween are good places to start!

[pixelburp]

In fairness, I too have never read a Batman comic, bar "Batman vs. Judge Dredd" way back in the 1990s.

I grew up with the classic Warner Brothers cartoons allright, had seen the Tim Burton movies also. And thanks to the internet, cultural osmosis, and my general geekiness, I know more about Batman lore than is healthy, but I've never actually bought & read a Batman comic.

[Mickeroo]

Originally Posted by pixelburp

In fairness, I too have never read a Batman comic, bar "Batman vs. Judge Dredd" way back in the 1990s.

I grew up with the classic Warner Brothers cartoons allright, had seen the Tim Burton movies also. And thanks to the internet, cultural osmosis, and my general geekiness, I know more about Batman lore than is healthy, but I've never actually bought & read a Batman comic.

Think I read that back in the day too. I grew up on the animated series too though, outside of the books its the best representation of Batman there is. It still is imo. I only started reading the books within the lat ten years or so, its well worth it though!