[Thirdfox]

People love the 5800... I love mine.

Having said that, as a semi-professional photographer - disappointing to see Nokia playing the megapixel camera race... 6mp is enough for A4... heck, even 3.2mp was enough for billboards/newspapers back in 2000(ish) - quality not quantity!

[Rsaeire]

Originally Posted by Thirdfox

People love the 5800... I love mine.

Having said that, as a semi-professional photographer - disappointing to see Nokia playing the megapixel camera race... 6mp is enough for A4... heck, even 3.2mp was enough for billboards/newspapers back in 2000(ish) - quality not quantity!

I do agree that a 12 MP camera isn't required, especially on a handset, but all the technological advancements in mobile camera optics are being done with handsets with 8+ MP camera lenses along with additional features, e.g. Xenon flash, optical zoom, wide-aperture lenses, 720p video recording etc. As such, while a 3, 5, 6 MP lens may be more than enough for most people, the additional features just aren't being introduced on handsets with such low megapixel counts.

[Thirdfox]

For one thing - they could decrease pixel density and improve iso (low light) performance... a 6mp (or even a good 3.2mp) will be enough to fill the computer screen, mobile screen and print to A4...and give ISO a boost of maybe 2 stops.

And if people are just uploading to facebook etc - you'd only need a 800x600 pixel picture - 0.48 megapixels...

[Alanstrainor]

Originally Posted by Thirdfox

For one thing - they could decrease pixel density and improve iso (low light) performance... a 6mp (or even a good 3.2mp) will be enough to fill the computer screen, mobile screen and print to A4...and give ISO a boost of maybe 2 stops.

And if people are just uploading to facebook etc - you'd only need a 800x600 pixel picture - 0.48 megapixels...

Agreed. But most people don't know what a pixel is! And assume more is better, so it's all marketing. People will buy a 12megapixel over a 3.2 simply because it's "bigger" even if they have no clue as to what it means.

[rizzee]

Was talking to someone who has a proto, apparantly its very fast and you can change the battery. There is two screws at the bottom of the phone which you can screw out and its a standard battery (similar to a BL-4C). The battery life on this proto is meant to be unbelievable ( 50 hrs music non stop). Oh, however , I should mention that if you remove the battery to change it that it will get rid of your warranty... so only do when needs be Also, instead of taking out the battery, you can hold a certain button for 8 seconds to reboot the phone instead of going 2 a shop/do a dodgey job yourself on it.


Hope none of this was mentioned before

[jesus_thats_gre]

The battery life bit is interesting me.

[rizzee]

Same here, seems a bit odd though (standard Nokia 1200mh battery) but i'm sure with new software etc. it would enable better battery life. It's BL-4D battery BTW

[evolutionqy7]

was actually planning to get that when it came out but after the N97 I'm scared to go near a nokia so just got a HD2.

[Kanedmick]

Wanted to ask - so which mobile has the best camera out now?

Was about to upgrade from an N95 8GB to a Desire. But a little hesitant as I would be one to be a little snap happy so what's the verdict?

Ta!

[Rsaeire]

Originally Posted by Kanedmick

Wanted to ask - so which mobile has the best camera out now?

Was about to upgrade from an N95 8GB to a Desire. But a little hesitant as I would be one to be a little snap happy so what's the verdict?

Ta!

Here's the thing. There haven't been that many great camera phones released recently, so the "best" defaults back to the Samsung Pixon12 which was released last year.

After that, I would say the Sony Ericsson Vivaz would be next in terms of image quality with the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 following it. The one thing to remember about the last two handsets is that the former runs Symbian Series 60 5th Edition, while the latter uses Android 1.6 (Donut), with an update to 2.1 (Eclair) promised towards the end of the year, so your choice of handset doesn't only hinge on which is the better camera, but which mobile operating system you prefer.

With that said, you could always wait and see how the N8 stacks up, or the iPhone 4 with its new 5 MP camera, or even the much talked about Samsung M8920 with 12 MP camera, Xenon flash and 3x optical zoom.

[Kanedmick]

Many thanks for that. Will wait a while and see and have another think...

[Venom]

The Symbian^3 OS just looks so dated not to mention lacking. Saw a tech demo online of all the main features listed for Symbian^3 OS and for each and every one my Desire can do it better.

Nokia make awesome hardware but really need to pick one phone OS and focus 100% on it or just make an Android phone

[Alanstrainor]

Ye i agree, i know symbian really started it all, but things have moved on vastly in the last couple of years. Maemo blows it out of the water as far as i can see, and the community behind it is unstoppable. Nokia needs to pull their finger out and choose one direction to go in, and not 3+!

[Thor]

In my opinion!! The n8 is an excellent phone(Hardware wise) it has alot of abilites. The problem lies in symbian!!! this is meant to be there newest symbian 3 but it looks just like 5th edition on 5800,n97/mini,x3,x6

I can't understand nokia at all!! why have meego on its way aswell if you have 2 seperate os, you can expect them both to do well!!!

[MackDeToaster]

I don't understand this thing about Symbian looks so dated, what exactly are you talking about ?
You can apply any themes you want out of hundreds of them, or go a bit deeper and play around with fancy transitions and animations such as starfields and fire.
You can change the look completely using apps such as GDesk or Spb Mobile Shell, there's several apps available just to imitate the Iphone if that rings your bell for whatever reason.

There is incredible freedom and scope to do anything you want if you can be bothered, so I just don't get all this complaining that it's dated and limited. Quite frankly I've tried Iphones and the like and found them far more constrictive and boring.

And, tbh, I've tried all this eyecandy and usually end up going back to the default system with a few widgets and fave app shortcuts on the homescreen - I just don't need all the rest fun though it may be for a while.

As for the N8, it looks savage imo, but it's not for me because of the lack of h/w keyboard and the capacative screen. If it was resistive I'd definitely be getting one, but I'll hold out for the N900 Meego replacement in the hope that that will remain resistive and have a keyboard, and ViewRanger is ported. The N900 is already pretty much ideal for me but for the lack of Viewranger, and Ovi Maps 3 to a lesser extent. If I could have Viewranger I'd have one tomorrow and be perfectly content.