[Sarky]

HHe's doing it again

[robindch]

Originally Posted by ISAW

I call that ad hominem. Others call it "getting rid of ISAW".

As I mentioned before, your posting style sees you disagreeing seemingly only for the sake of disagreeing, making it needlessly argumentative and petty, nit-picking while missing the larger picture, and engaging in endless degrees of whataboutery. It's simply no fun. And the way you format your posts isn't much help either.

That's not "ad hominem", since it's not a comment about you. Instead, that's a commentary upon your posting style.

[ISAW]

Originally Posted by robindch

As I mentioned before, your posting style sees you disagreeing seemingly only for the sake of disagreeing, making it needlessly argumentative and petty, nit-picking while missing the larger picture, and engaging in endless degrees of whataboutery. It's simply no fun. And the way you format your posts isn't much help either.

That's not "ad hominem", since it's not a comment about you. Instead, that's a commentary upon your posting style.

Yep Robin. You cant supply any support for your claim about 6.5% and pedophile priests so obviously the problem is my posting style i guess?

[Sarky]

Oh ffs.

[swiss]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17582542

An investigation is under way after indecent images were "inadvertently" shown by a Catholic priest during a presentation at a primary school in County Tyrone.

Father Martin McVeigh projected the images onto a screen during a meeting for parents in Pomeroy in preparation for First Holy Communion. One child was also present.

More amusing than anything else, though it is unfortunate that a child was present.

I'm guessing the porn images were on the USB and whatever laptop/PC had autorun enabled, running windows slide viewer when media containing images is inserted (cue the inevitable 'that's not the only thing that was inserted' joke).

The other option, I would guess, is malware on the key. But in that case, where did it come from?

[recedite]

Originally Posted by swiss

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17582542
I'm guessing the porn images were on the USB and whatever laptop/PC had autorun enabled, running windows slide viewer when media containing images is inserted ......

or perhaps the images had been inadvertently copied to the wrong folder, and everyone was contentedly snoozing their way through the automated slideshow. Then after 15 or so porn images had been shown, someone happened to open one eye, and the noise of them falling off the chair woke everyone else....

[dmw07]

Originally Posted by ISAW

Yep Robin. You cant supply any support for your claim about 6.5% and pedophile priests so obviously the problem is my posting style i guess?

He has a valid point.

Until you Robin, can substantiate your crazy claims about the 6.5% pedophile priests, I will also refuse to believe it is due to ISAW's posting style and "other".

[ISAW]

Originally Posted by dmw07

He has a valid point.

Until you Robin, can substantiate your crazy claims about the 6.5% pedophile priests, I will also refuse to believe it is due to ISAW's posting style and "other".

Not alone that but the 6.5% for Dublin was not withdrawn but repolaced by a weaker 4% (for cloyne?) which robin thought he could support


i point out here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...&postcount=842
wher the 4% is actually closer to 1.2%using the report robin provided.

I also point out here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...&postcount=843
that robins hearsay about the "Irish Catholic " source does NOT claim as he says
i woudl say 3to 4% of victims in Irland were victims of clergy and i have given what I believe are reasons for that figure in the clerical child abuse thread.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055855692

It does not say "4% of abusers are clergy"! It certainly does not say 6.5% are.
you are aware of the difference.

coming on the back of todays resignations by senior media people over misreporting a priest in a sex abuse case I suggest you clarify your sources. they are not supporting what you claimed.

[marienbad]

ISAW give it up will you , it is just boring at this stage. Who made you the keeper of the stats ?

I grew up through the height of all this carry on and if all the beatings with belts, leathers, rulers, canes, chair legs, were included ( as they would be today) with all the sexual abuse the stat , I venture to say would be in the 90's.

But they wer'nt included or reported or tried and convicted so they live on only in the victims memories .

And that is what you hide behind all the time is'nt it- the conviction rate. Or your other favourite ploy - the state was worse, and in doing so you do your church or society no service.

If you want to get a true picture of abuse try taking lessons from those poor women fighting on the rape front if you want to get a perspective on the ratio of occurance / reporting/ conviction . You might learn something - if not about stats at least about charity and compassion.

[ISAW]

Originally Posted by marienbad

ISAW give it up will you , it is just boring at this stage. Who made you the keeper of the stats ?


If you want to get a true picture of abuse try taking lessons from those poor women fighting on the rape front if you want to get a perspective on the ratio of occurance / reporting/ conviction . You might learn something - if not about stats at least about charity and compassion.

So you dont care about false claims?
how about the false claims made against Priests?
dont care about them either i suppose?

Fair enough. i cant make yu care but I can point out when stats are being mis reported.
In this case they are. But the claim ois still being uphemld by robin when he has been unable to support it.
By any objective standard that is unfair.
Attacking me personally or how I post isnt changing an unsupported innuendo into a valid claim.
If the evidence is there post it!
If not admit the truth that you dont have it! It is an empty unsupported claim which you just happen to believe. Your unsupported opinion and not a FACT as people her have tried to claim. It is a very important point. People have had to resign form their jobs today because of such things. But leaving that aside there are academic standards of integrity and objectivity to consider.

[marienbad]

Originally Posted by ISAW

So you dont care about false claims?
how about the false claims made against Priests?
dont care about them either i suppose?

Fair enough. i cant make yu care but I can point out when stats are being mis reported.
In this case they are. But the claim ois still being uphemld by robin when he has been unable to support it.
By any objective standard that is unfair.
Attacking me personally or how I post isnt changing an unsupported innuendo into a valid claim.
If the evidence is there post it!
If not admit the truth that you dont have it! It is an empty unsupported claim which you just happen to believe. Your unsupported opinion and not a FACT as people her have tried to claim. It is a very important point. People have had to resign form their jobs today because of such things. But leaving that aside there are academic standards of integrity and objectivity to consider.

Again you go off on a tangent and infer things that are not there.

If you spent a little bit more time giving consideration to the myriads of true claims and less on the false claims you might have some credibility. But you don't - you spend endless hours defending an institution that is well able to defend itself and seem to give no care to all those victims who had no one to press their claims.

The Church finds itself in the position it is in because across generations it ignored/tolerated/condoned/covered up/ was unaware/ did nothing about/ was naive/mis-managed - what ever phrase suits you, a massive problem at its very core in this country.

In doing so it caused enornmous damage to the populace of this country and lost the trust of its people.

Part of the price for this, as it is with any institution, is to keep its head down and shut the f&*K up and listen as it failed to do in the past and by doing so might begin to rebuild that trust. If along the way it suffers false accusations so what ? it definitely earned them by its inaction in the first place.

But I suspect you just don't get it and at this stage you probably never will.

[Dades]

ISAW

Clearly Robin has said all he has the heart for on the *6.5%* matter. You both disagree. Now give it rest.

You are like a dog with a bone, and wittering on about it doesn't contribute anything. I warned you earlier in this thread not to turn it into a trainwreck, and you're sailing dangerously close to the wind.

Again, this is not open for discussion.

[Bannasidhe]

Gardaí have interviewed 17 men who claim they were sexually abused while attending a college on the outskirts of Cork.
The complaints date back to the 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s when the college was run by the order of Missionaries of the Sacred Heart.

They have been made against four former members of staff at the Carrignavar college. It is understood that one of them died recently.

"It has been alleged that some of the victims were subjected to repeated abuse over some length of time," a Garda source said.

There is no evidence, however, that any of the pupils was "passed around" to other perpetrators.

"The alleged victims we have spoken to are now living all over the country. Some are still living in Cork and Kerry and Limerick. But others are living further away, some of them in border counties," the source added.

In some cases the complainants went to be interviewed at Cobh Garda Station.

However, gardaí also travelled to other people’s homes, or met them at a mutually agreed venue to conduct interviews.

They have also interviewed several other people who were said by the alleged victims to be able to substantiate their stories.

A team of six gardaí has been working on the case since the first complaint was made by a former boarder at Sacred Heart College, Carrignavar, last August.

The investigation, which is still continuing, has been mounted by gardaí from the Cobh district who are being aided by detectives from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI) based at Harcourt Square, Dublin.

When the investigation was launched, senior gardaí promised it would be "methodical and painstaking".

It is likely to take several weeks to complete. They will wait until they have completed their investigation before interviewing the alleged perpetrators.

The Catholic Church’s National Board for Safeguarding Children is also investigating the Missionaries of the Sacred Heart’s handling of abuse as is the office for the minister of children.

Last November, the support organisation One-In-Four held a special meeting in Cork at which its counsellors spoke with six people who claimed they were sexually abused while attending the school.

One-In-Four executive director, Maeve Lewis, said her organisation was liaising closely with the gardaí and HSE on the case.

She said any victims of sexual abuse were welcome to ring her organisation at 01 6624070.

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...#ixzz1r4s0joE9

[Sarky]

That's just 17 isolated incidents in the same place!

[Bannasidhe]

Originally Posted by Sarky

That's just 17 isolated incidents in the same place!

That's just 17 isolated incidents in the same place over the course of 3 decades by the same 4 individuals.