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Birdnuts · 02-03-2010, 21:00

www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0302/breaking72.html

The first few days of spring and the same old problem in the West of Ireland with the activities of a handfull of sheep farmers rears its ugly head again. Reading the article its obvious neither the Dept of Agriculture or government give a dam

Alun · 02-03-2010, 21:20

Surely it isn't exactly rocket science to determine whose sheep carcass it was and/or whose land it was found on? Same goes for the other cases last year. Were any actual prosecutions made in those cases?

Birdnuts · 02-03-2010, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Alun

Surely it isn't exactly rocket science to determine whose sheep carcass it was and/or whose land it was found on? Same goes for the other cases last year. Were any actual prosecutions made in those cases?

Despite the fact that stuff like natural heritage is the bedrock of our tourism industry, crimes like this are just not taken seriously by the authorities - if it was, throwing uncovered poison bait around the countryside would have been banned long ago as is the case in most advanced Western countries

marlin vs · 02-03-2010, 22:23

Another sad day,hill farmer's are getting themselves some bad name, even if it is only a minority which I don't believe, they're living in the dark ages and still think that the eagles are the devill's in the skye's.

Birdnuts · 02-03-2010, 22:56

http://www.goldeneagle.ie/news_viewn...11&article=262

The above is the Irish Golden Eagle Trust latest Press release on this - scroll down to the section on the Irish Farmers Journal shamfull role in all this

marlin vs · 03-03-2010, 09:16

Today's paper.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...265502596.html

Connacht · 03-03-2010, 10:18

Conall, barely 10 months old, was recently found brutally killed in the mountains of the Sligo Leitrim border.

Not the first child of his kind to have his short life savagely ended in this disgusting way, serious questions must be asked of the supposed law enforcement authorities in this country and of those charged with the care of such a young boy.

How can people who poison the likes of Conall still be out there, rather than in prison, where they clearly belong ? How many people are there willfully poisoning their neighbours in this fashion ? How difficult can it really be to apprehend and punish severely those who willfully poison others ?

The communities in which this type of scandalous act of killing occur, whether Sligo, Leitrim, Kerry, or wherever, are small. Johnny knows Mick and Mick knows Billy. Get out and catch them and spare our society these criminals, who have no compassion, much less love, for those we share this island nation with.

But more questions :
How can Scotland and Norway continue to send their children to our shores, to be put up against this wanton destruction ? How can their governments allow the exporting of their defenceless sons and daughters to another country where, seemingly, nothing or not enough is done to protect them ?

Shame on Scotland. Shame on Norway. Most of all, shame on Ireland. I am disgusted by all three of you.

Alun · 03-03-2010, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Connacht

How difficult can it really be to apprehend and punish severely those who willfully poison others ?

This was my point ... a poisoned carcass is found on farmer X's land with dead eagle nearby, farmer X is guilty, end of, no need for lengthy 'investigations' that lead nowhere, or bringing in Sherlock Holmes, or Poirot. Make a show case of him. Make sure every single person in the surrounding area knows who it was and what he did, and what the consequences of such actions are. Makes me sick.

snowstreams · 03-03-2010, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Birdnuts

http://www.goldeneagle.ie/news_viewn...11&article=262

The above is the Irish Golden Eagle Trust latest Press release on this - scroll down to the section on the Irish Farmers Journal shamfull role in all this

Yes, the farmers journal should have been more responsible and at least mentioned tieing down and covering the bait to obstruct it from the view of passing birds of prey. It seems they dont even care

E39MSport · 03-03-2010, 13:34

I just emailed the editor of the Farmers Journal and told him what I think of him and some of his customers. His email address is in the contact link when you google the Journal.

I also asked him to publish an editorial asking Farmers to stop the illegal slaughter.

doctor evil · 03-03-2010, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Alun

This was my point ... a poisoned carcass is found on farmer X's land with dead eagle nearby, farmer X is guilty, end of, no need for lengthy 'investigations' that lead nowhere, or bringing in Sherlock Holmes, or Poirot. Make a show case of him. Make sure every single person in the surrounding area knows who it was and what he did, and what the consequences of such actions are. Makes me sick.

So if a dead body is found in your front garden you are automatically the murderer?

Alun · 03-03-2010, 14:54

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Originally Posted by doctor evil

So if a dead body is found in your front garden you are automatically the murderer?

No, but that's not really the same thing is it? Or are you suggesting that it's a normal thing for farmers to dump poisoned carcasses on other farmers' lands just for the fun of it? It may not stand up to the rigours of some smart-arse defence lawyer's arguments, but it's good enough for me in this case.

doctor evil · 03-03-2010, 14:59

It is exactly the same thing.

From ingestion of the illegally poisoned carcass how long would it take for the bird to die? There is nothing to stop someone from trespassing and dumping, just look at fly tipping there are people that have no shame. *Where* on the farmers land was it found, was it in the middle or near a boundary?

Srameen · 03-03-2010, 15:03

Disgusted as I am by this I'm not going to get dragged into this thread but I must point out that poisoned birds often die 5km or more from the source of the poisoning. Also, landowners are not always responsible. I have come across cases where the poisoning was by Gun Clubs and others.

Half-cocked · 03-03-2010, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Srameen

Disgusted as I am by this I'm not going to get dragged into this thread but I must point out that poisoned birds often die 5km or more from the source of the poisoning. Also, landowners are not always responsible. I have come across cases where the poisoning was by Gun Clubs and others.

And quite a lot of uplands are commonage, with several different farmers grazing their flocks on it.

The law is almost unenforcable anyway. I was talking to an NPWS ranger a while back who acted on a tip-off that some one was shooting protected Brent geese. Although the culprit was caught with a shotgun and several dead geese, he could not be prosecuted because no witness had actualy seen him shoot at and kill a goose. Being in posession a licensed gun and claiming to have picked up a few dead geese that some one else had shot was enough of a story to evade justice. I'd imagine the poisoner(s) in the eagle case would have to be caught red handed spiking the carcass and then leaving it unattended for any prosecution to be brought

02-03-2010, 21:00	#1
Birdnuts Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Blessington, Co. Wicklow Posts: 3,897 Adverts \| Friends	First Irish born Golden Eagle for 100 years found poisoned in Sligo www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0302/breaking72.html The first few days of spring and the same old problem in the West of Ireland with the activities of a handfull of sheep farmers rears its ugly head again. Reading the article its obvious neither the Dept of Agriculture or government give a dam

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Birdnuts Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Blessington, Co. Wicklow Posts: 3,897 Adverts \| Friends	It gets worse http://www.goldeneagle.ie/news_viewn...11&article=262 The above is the Irish Golden Eagle Trust latest Press release on this - scroll down to the section on the Irish Farmers Journal shamfull role in all this

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Alun Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bray, Co. Wicklow Posts: 11,612 Adverts \| Friends	Surely it isn't exactly rocket science to determine whose sheep carcass it was and/or whose land it was found on? Same goes for the other cases last year. Were any actual prosecutions made in those cases?

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marlin vs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Waterford Posts: 1,385 Adverts \| Friends	Another sad day,hill farmer's are getting themselves some bad name, even if it is only a minority which I don't believe, they're living in the dark ages and still think that the eagles are the devill's in the skye's.

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marlin vs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Waterford Posts: 1,385 Adverts \| Friends	Today's paper. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...265502596.html

03-03-2010, 10:18	#7
Connacht Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mayo Posts: 373 Adverts \| Friends	Conall, barely 10 months old, was recently found brutally killed in the mountains of the Sligo Leitrim border. Not the first child of his kind to have his short life savagely ended in this disgusting way, serious questions must be asked of the supposed law enforcement authorities in this country and of those charged with the care of such a young boy. How can people who poison the likes of Conall still be out there, rather than in prison, where they clearly belong ? How many people are there willfully poisoning their neighbours in this fashion ? How difficult can it really be to apprehend and punish severely those who willfully poison others ? The communities in which this type of scandalous act of killing occur, whether Sligo, Leitrim, Kerry, or wherever, are small. Johnny knows Mick and Mick knows Billy. Get out and catch them and spare our society these criminals, who have no compassion, much less love, for those we share this island nation with. But more questions : How can Scotland and Norway continue to send their children to our shores, to be put up against this wanton destruction ? How can their governments allow the exporting of their defenceless sons and daughters to another country where, seemingly, nothing or not enough is done to protect them ? Shame on Scotland. Shame on Norway. Most of all, shame on Ireland. I am disgusted by all three of you.

03-03-2010, 13:34	#10
E39MSport Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,595 Adverts \| Friends	I just emailed the editor of the Farmers Journal and told him what I think of him and some of his customers. His email address is in the contact link when you google the Journal. I also asked him to publish an editorial asking Farmers to stop the illegal slaughter.

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doctor evil Closed Account Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,072 Adverts \| Friends	It is exactly the same thing. From ingestion of the illegally poisoned carcass how long would it take for the bird to die? There is nothing to stop someone from trespassing and dumping, just look at fly tipping there are people that have no shame. Where on the farmers land was it found, was it in the middle or near a boundary?

03-03-2010, 15:03	#14
Srameen Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Anywhere the wild wind soothes the heart Posts: 4,103 Adverts \| Friends	Disgusted as I am by this I'm not going to get dragged into this thread but I must point out that poisoned birds often die 5km or more from the source of the poisoning. Also, landowners are not always responsible. I have come across cases where the poisoning was by Gun Clubs and others.