[Guy:Incognito]

I find it very frustrating at roundabouts. Peopel are just making it up as they go allong. The big roundabout on the way from the Spawell to Wellington in Templeogue (Dublin ) is a prime example. Coming down towards it from Spawell there are 2 lane enterign the roundabout. Very simple you would think, left lane for left and straight and right lane for Right and coming back on yourself. There only 1 lane at each of the exits. Yet at least half of the people in front an dbehind me every time use the right lane to go straight, some indicate right while being in the right lane to go straight.

I even had one guy in a golf look in his rearview mirror and shake his head at me after he went straight in the right lane and I went straight from the left.

I was 2 cars behind a woman the other day that took up position in the right lane indicating right, but whe wasnt fully in the right lane, her left wheels were in the left lane. Needless to say as she got half way roudn she indicated left and exited , meanign she went straight throught the roudabout. Now I did'nt think much because this crap happoens all the time. But at the next roudnabout down at Perrystown , which has the same lane layout but is a small roundabout she goes straight through but from the left lane and does no indicating. Did she suddenly realise how to use lanes properly and ferget she had indicators? All in the space of a few hundred meters.

[Zubeneschamali]

Originally Posted by corktina

I find it beyond belief that so many Irish drivers are so clueless on things like this. It is laid down and so simple

No, it isn't.

At the roundabout which the OP references, there are lane markings on the roundabout clearly defining some lanes leaving the roundabout as "straight on". If you are in one of those, and indicating left, I will read that as an indication that you are about to change lane, not go straight on in your lane off the roundabout.

The rules about indicating etc. are the default rules when no other road markings or signs tell you what to do. They are not absolute rules. From the ROTR:

You must obey any road markings on the lanes and/or other instructions to show what lane to use if you intend to take a particular exit from the roundabout.

Unless road signs or road markings indicate otherwise, follow the steps below, when taking the first exit, going straight ahead or taking later exits off a roundabout.

[Ush1]

I think the key thing with roundabouts is approaching quite slow if you don't know it and check for road markings. The airport can be slightly confusing as it's often changing but once you know the roundabout it's fine.

[daveharnett]

Originally Posted by Zubeneschamali

At the roundabout which the OP references, there are lane markings on the roundabout clearly defining some lanes leaving the roundabout as "straight on". If you are in one of those, and indicating left, I will read that as an indication that you are about to change lane, not go straight on in your lane off the roundabout.

...so you will ease off, and give him some space until you see that he is holding his lane. Hardly the end of the world for either of you, and the people waiting at the next entrance will be able to make some progress.

[Redjeep!]

The action that gets me the most is when people change lanes to overtake and then change back again. Never seen that one anywhere else.

[corktina]

Originally Posted by Zubeneschamali

No, it isn't.

At the roundabout which the OP references, there are lane markings on the roundabout clearly defining some lanes leaving the roundabout as "straight on". If you are in one of those, and indicating left, I will read that as an indication that you are about to change lane, not go straight on in your lane off the roundabout.

The rules about indicating etc. are the default rules when no other road markings or signs tell you what to do. They are not absolute rules. From the ROTR:

You must obey any road markings on the lanes and/or other instructions to show what lane to use if you intend to take a particular exit from the roundabout.

Unless road signs or road markings indicate otherwise, follow the steps below, when taking the first exit, going straight ahead or taking later exits off a roundabout.

sorry but you are making up your own rules.What about the guy waiting to enter the r'about who cant see the road markings? You need to indicate to him that he can pull out as you are turning off.

[langdang]

Originally Posted by corktina

sorry but you are making up your own rules.What about the guy waiting to enter the r'about who cant see the road markings? You need to indicate to him that he can pull out as you are turning off.

We're talking about a signalled roundabout that is impossible to go more than 180degrees around without meeting a red light(and if you're "on it" then the guy trying to get on should have a red light unless it's chock-a-block at rush hour or something). Indicating isn't benefiting anyone to your left or right or coming on to the roundabout, as long as you are using the lane you are in for it's intended purpose.

[n0brain3r]

Howabout the 2nd roundabout coming into Naas from the N7 southbound at the big ball the left lane is for the Monread road meaning you stay in the outside lane to take the third exit the right lane is for back to the M7 Southbound or N7 Northbound the amount of times I've had to stop or yield to someone going straight ahead in the right lane or off at the Monread junction because someone ignores the markings. It's the planners/NRA's fault though any roundabouts with non standard lane layouts should have huge signs on the lead up to them indicating the correct lanes to use road markings are useless in traffic as they're covered by the traffic in front. Another one that gets me is two lanes entering a roundabout with no lane markings why bother it just causes confusion about which lane to be in!

[inforfun]

Originally Posted by Redjeep!

So are you saying that you should go around in the left hand lane even for an exit past the 12 o'clock position ?

Nope, that is exactly my biggest cause of anger on Irish roads, people who are in the outer (or left if you want) lane (for 1st or 2nd exit of RA) but still insist it is perfectly ok to go past 12 in that very lane.
It happens so often that nowadyas it does surprise me when no one is trying that stunt.
It goes against all laws, rules of the road, laws of nature to do that.

[Zubeneschamali]

Originally Posted by corktina

What about the guy waiting to enter the r'about who cant see the road markings?

It's much worse than that: what about me driving onto the roundabout in traffic? I can't see the road markings either, yet I am required to obey them!

[corktina]

i mean he cant see YOUR road markings and doesnt know you are going off the roaudabout because you arent indicating....

[Ush1]

Well lads, it seems the guy who can't see the road markings will be in the wrong.

[Cookie_Monster]

Originally Posted by corktina

i mean he cant see YOUR road markings and doesnt know you are going off the roaudabout because you arent indicating....

why can't he see road markings, if he can see your car he can see the road under it. It not like there are giant hedges blocking everything below roof height

[langdang]

Originally Posted by corktina

i mean he cant see YOUR road markings and doesnt know you are going off the roaudabout because you arent indicating....

He doesn't need to on a signalled roundabout? Either I have a red light or he does?

[corktina]

Originally Posted by Cookie_Monster

why can't he see road markings, if he can see your car he can see the road under it. It not like there are giant hedges blocking everything below roof height

they are some metres away and upside down and have several cars on top of them.....how is he to know FOR SURE that that lane is for cars turning left? If the cars were indicating left, he would know....