[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

Anyway - I certainly think Muslims should be polite of course.

So then you don't agree with the linked article.

Splitter!



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[EireMuzzie]

Originally Posted by oceanclub

So then you don't agree with the linked article.

Splitter!



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Do you think being polite equates to humiliation?

[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

Do you think being polite equates to humiliation?

Erm, no. My argument is that is what Liam appears to think. His article was the first to use the word "humiliation", not me.

You said the article was "interesting", so I had assumed from that that you actually read it.

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[EireMuzzie]

Originally Posted by oceanclub

Erm, no. My argument is that is what Liam appears to think. His article was the first to use the word "humiliation", not me.

You said the article was "interesting", so I had assumed from that that you actually read it.

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So you agree then, a Muslim can be polite without the need to humiliate himself.

Now enough of me answering questions - let's enjoy Kabour twisting himself in knots.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

I asked some prominent imams in the Dublin area about this post, ....

What ones?

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

That huge throng of followers you have will no doubt want to see some response other than the whining above. ....

I was unaware that veracity was determined by the number of "followers" one might have. Which is good news for Liam Egan, amongst others.

[The Recliner]

Could everyone please remain civil in this thread and keep away from personal digs

The saying "Attack the post not the poster" has been around a long time here for a reason

Any more personal digs will be met with bans as I want to keep this thread open and not be forced to close it

[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by Nodin

I was unaware that veracity was determined by the number of "followers" one might have. Which is good news for Liam Egan, amongst others.

Just to note that the mpac.ie forum has a grand total of 15 members, many of whom joined the forum to oppose the attitude of its leaders:

http://mpac.ie/forum/

There are 15 Members

There have been 7 Guests

Administrators: Admin (35 Posts), Mujaahid (19 Posts), eoin.p.whelan (10 Posts)

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[Hobbes]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

I asked some prominent imams in the Dublin area about this post, and the author's attempt to smear MPAC.ie as extremist.

Charter clearly states that any claims made should be backed up with a source (even if that source is flawed). So please do not post again until you have done this, or retracted your earlier claim. Thanks.

[EireMuzzie]

Originally Posted by Hobbes

Charter clearly states that any claims made should be backed up with a source (even if that source is flawed). So please do not post again until you have done this, or retracted your earlier claim. Thanks.

I am unable to verify a phone call hence my encouragement for people to call themselves as evidence.

But as you are inclined toward veracity, could you please ask the thread initiator to substantiate his claims, in the interests of fairness and all.

So to begin:

An Irish Muslim Response to “MPAC.IE”

The opening title makes the claim that the individual who wrote it is Irish. But it is also transpires that said individual is a Saudi national. The Saudi government do not permit dual nationality, so the claim to be an 'Irish Muslim' could only be made by rescinding Saudi nationality. Can Kabour verify this claim according to the charter?

Muslims in Ireland whom I have talked to are almost uniformly

Who are these Muslims, back up the claim please.

Seeking controversy and lusting for media attention has led to one or two wayward individuals to join

Can Kabour substantiate this claim regarding the intention of those who joined MPAC.ie?

MPACI.E is a propagandist Wahhabi “organization”

a serious claim, which on Kabour's website refers to Liam Egan as a 'Wahhabi Goebbals'. Can Mr Kabour demonstrate where MPAC.ie have deviated from mainstream Sunni views?

not only do we respect the ideals of the democracy that we live in but also cherish them.

Who are 'we' and can this claim be substantiated according to the charter?

I speak for a substantial number of Muslims who share my sentiment

Yet another unsubstantiad claim that the moderators chose to ignore.

these fanatic and cannot devote all their time to the ratings of fundamentalists in the periphery of the Irish Muslim community

serious claims but obviously not of concern to the moderators - why?

these extremists

again, silence on the part of moderators - why?

I understand that Kaboor's ideology might well tally with the non-Muslim view, but the charter is supposedly impartial so I trust you'll equally hold him accountable.

[The Recliner]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

I am unable to verify a phone call hence my encouragement for people to call themselves as evidence.

And you expect him to be able to do any different?

But as you are inclined toward veracity, could you please ask the thread initiator to substantiate his claims, in the interests of fairness and all.

The thread starter is hereby asked to verify his claims

....
Yet another unsubstantiad claim that the moderators chose to ignore.
serious claims but obviously not of concern to the moderators - why?
again, silence on the part of moderators - why?

I understand that Kaboor's ideology might well tally with the non-Muslim view, but the charter is supposedly impartial so I trust you'll equally hold him accountable.

Now here we have a problem because you went from questioning the OP to having a go at the Moderation of this forum, something which is expressly against the charter
If you have a problem with a post then use the report post button
If you have a problem with Moderation then PM the Mods, what you definitely don't do is duscuss it on thread

You have already received an infraction so now you are getting a ban for a week

[Hobbes]

Recliner got there before me.

I wasn't asking for phone conversations. You could of easily written who and when you rang them. Then people could ring the Iman in question and clarify if they feel the same way or if you were just making it up.

As for the OP, they linked to the source of the comments. Remember it is linking to the source, it is not that source is correct. It is so that people can understand where people who make claims are getting them from.

[oceanclub]

It's a pity we have to wait a week to hear EireMuzzie's answers to this....

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[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by oceanclub

Just to note that the mpac.ie forum has a grand total of 15 members, many of whom joined the forum to oppose the attitude of its leaders:

http://mpac.ie/forum/

Perhaps it's pure coincidence, but since I posted that link yesterday, the MPAC forum has been taken down. The link now takes you to "Page Not Found!", and there's no link to the forum on the main home page.

As I said, I'm sure this is pure coincidence, and suggestions that MPAC are attempting to hide their actual numbers are pure mischief which should not be countenanced.

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[hivizman]

Glad I looked at the forum yesterday afternoon, while it was still up.

There are seven followers of the MPAC.ie Twitter page, with 137 tweets between them.

[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by hivizman

There are seven followers of the MPAC.ie Twitter page, with 137 tweets between them.

That means even a fake Cheryl Cole is 1427 times more popular: http://twitter.com/cherylKerl

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