[Boston]

Originally Posted by gerry28

I would be banned if i stated what i really think of that country so i will only say: it doesn't surprise me one bit and its utterly disgusting.

This here is why its Anti-Semitic. Using something like this as another reason to condemn Israel and the Israelis is like using the infant organ retention scandal as a reason to put down the Irish.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Here's an idea. Why don't you contribute with the substance of the thread rather than coming in and throwing you're usual rubbish around about "the usual suspects"? If you have a point on the subject why not engage with the topic instead of dragging the thread off topic?


Well funnily enough, when I did a search on the Sri Lanka/Tamil issue I found two threads. One was started by Wes and the other was started by Nodin (who I presume you were referring to in you snide little "usual suspects" dig). Both of them contributed to both topics. Funnily enough I didn't see any post from you on either thread.

All you seem to want to do is come on to these threads, make stupid accusations, drag the thread off topic and not engage with the subject matter at hand.

QFT

[wes]

Originally Posted by Boston

This here is why its Anti-Semitic.

That didn't take long. First everyone is a hypocrite and now people are Anti-Semites. I wonder what accusation you will come up with next?

Originally Posted by Boston

Using something like this as another reason to condemn Israel and the Israelis is like using the infant organ retention scandal as a reason to put down the Irish.

Condemning the state of Israel is perfectly reasonable (as would condemnation of any other state doing anything similar) and no one here has condemned every single last Israeli as you insinuate, with your predictable accusation of Anti-semitism.

Even the post you quote specifically condemns the "country" and not every single Israeli or Jew, so you are once again reaching here, just like your accusations of hypocrisy, this one, once again falls flat on its face.

[Boston]

Originally Posted by wes

That didn't take long. First everyone is a hypocrite and now people are Anti-Semites. I wonder what accusation you will come up with next?

Find for me where I said everyone. You seem to have a problem determining which posts of mine are directed at you and which arn't

Condemning the state of Israel is perfectly reasonable (as would condemnation of any other state doing anything similar) and no one here has condemned every single last Israeli as you insinuate, with your predictable accusation of Anti-semitism.

Hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by wes

Even the post you quote specifically condemns the "country" and not every single Israeli or Jew, so you are once again reaching here, just like your accusations of hypocrisy, this one, once again falls flat on its face.

The country of Israeli didn't do anything. The country is a geographical location. When making references to Israel in the context quoted, you're actually talking about the people of Israel. You are a hypocrite, having ignored the fact Ireland did the same thing. In fact selling the organs of babies to the highest bidder is worse in my book.

[wes]

Originally Posted by Boston

Find for me where I said everyone. You seem to have a problem determining which posts of mine are directed at you and which arn't

Your accusations are pretty vague most of the time actually:

Originally Posted by Boston

This here is why its Anti-Semitic. Using something like this as another reason to condemn Israel and the Israelis is like using the infant organ retention scandal as a reason to put down the Irish.

The langauge used above is very vague and seemed to apply to the entire thread and not to a specific poster. Seems to me that your issue is with the thread in general.

Originally Posted by Boston

Hypocrisy.

Lol, there you are again with you accusation. What I said isn't hypocrisy. You do realise that throwing out accusation at random, doesn't work, right?

Originally Posted by Boston

The country of Israeli didn't do anything. The country is a geographical location. When making references to Israel in the context quoted, you're actually talking about the people of Israel.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. This is how people refer to countries all the time. Having to type the "state of Israel" or lets say the "state of Saudi Arabia", all the time would be cubersome, and I think you will find that no one does that for any country, but nice try all the same.

Originally Posted by Boston

You are a hypocrite, having ignored the fact Ireland did the same thing. In fact selling the organs of babies to the highest bidder is worse in my book.

I didn't ignore anything actually:

Originally Posted by wes

Ah alright then, well that doesn't make any sense. You can't possible know people opinions on organ theft in this country, and no one here expressed any defence of similar behaviour here in Ireland.

Just to be clear, I do of course condemn stealing people's organ's regardless of who is doing it.

However, this is a thread about Israel doing it and not about Ireland, so I personally didn't feel the need to condemn organ theft in every country in the world, where it is practiced, as that would just lead to really long posts, that have nothing to do with the topic. I am sure other didn't do so for similar reasons.

**EDIT**
So how can you accuse anyone of hypocrisy, when you couldn't possibly know people feelings on the organ theft in Ireland?

Seems to me that you are inventing a position to argue against imho.
**END EDIT**

As can be clearly seen above I acknowledge organ theft in this country (in fact all countries) and condemn it and point out that your accusations are ridiculous as you can't possibly know people position on organ theft in this country, and then I point out that this thread is about Israel, and chances are peoplen't aren't going to discuss what went on in Ireland due to thread title being what is and all.

If you want to discuss organ theft in Ireland, why not start a thread on that topic? I am would happily condemn organ theft in this country inside such a thread. No need to derail this one, when starting a new topic is very easy.

Now, you accusation is even more nonsensical, seeing as I have condemned organ theft in Ireland and I did not ignore it either. All I did was challenge you increasingly desperate attempts to derail the discussion, with your increasingly desperate vague accusations against people.

So, you really should stop accusing people of this that or the other. Doing it again and again, won't make the accusation stick either.

[gerry28]

Originally Posted by Boston

This here is why its Anti-Semitic. Using something like this as another reason to condemn Israel and the Israelis is like using the infant organ retention scandal as a reason to put down the Irish.

This anti semitic card is overplayed and quite dangerous. It is called on so often that criticising israel is almost impossible no matter what they do.

America is criticising often, as are russia, france, china etc but if someone dares criticize isreal they are instantly accused of anti semitism.

Its rubbish and the people using this card willy nilly should be ashamed of themselves - they know deep down they are abusing its use in my opinion.

[Boston]

Originally Posted by wes

Your accusations are pretty vague most of the time actually:

The langauge used above is very vague and seemed to apply to the entire thread and not to a specific poster. Seems to me that your issue is with the thread in general.

Heres a clue, its the person I quoted. Maybe you had another browser malfunction and didn't see it.

Originally Posted by gerry28

This anti semitic card is overplayed and quite dangerous. It is called on so often that criticising israel is almost impossible no matter what they do.

America is criticising often, as are russia, france, china etc but if someone dares criticize isreal they are instantly accused of anti semitism.

Its rubbish and the people using this card willy nilly should be ashamed of themselves - they know deep down they are abusing its use in my opinion.

Any other country you wouldn't blame the illegal actions of a few on the country.

[wes]

Originally Posted by Boston

Heres a clue, its the person I quoted. Maybe you had another browser malfunction and didn't see it.

Browser worked fine this time, just looking at your langauge and what you have posted so far, and its clear to me you have an issue with anyone discussing this topic. All in a desperate attempt to stop people talking about the crap Israel pulled.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Manic Moran

If I have any concerns, it wasn't the practise itself as much as the fact that it wasn't announced.

Well regardless of whether it was announced or not it would have required a law change in Israel in order for it to be lawful to harvest the organs of Israeli civilians. The law was not changed and would have therefore been illegal under Israeli national law.

Originally Posted by Manic Moran

It seems to me that the most pragmatic approach is to reverse the more common 'donor card' thing, and to instead have a public policy that your desire to help others is a given by default unless you are carrying evidence to the contrary. Maybe with a tax/license fee to opt out, though I can see legal reasons against that. Saves lives, and if people think that some ideal of bodily integrity for simple belief grounds is more important than allowing others to live better lives, well, they can follow that belief. (Though my personal opinion of such a belief is not complimentary)

NTM

Well under Israeli law there is no opt out system and harvesting organs from people who have not consented or whose families have not consented would be illegal.

However, your post does not deal with the issue of harvesting organs from Palestinians. As I have mentioned above, this is clearly illegal under international law regardless of what Israeli law is.

As for the harvesting of organs of foreign nationals, this would be illegal under Israeli law as far as I know and probably a breach of international diplomatic law but don't quote me on that.

[gerry28]

Originally Posted by Boston

Any other country you wouldn't blame the illegal actions of a few on the country.

Pedantry.

And another point on the abuse of the anti semitism card.
I think its due the fear of being labeled anti semitic that national governments, newspapers, the media and citizens worldwide feel they can't say what is required in relation to isreal's heavyhandedness and human rights abuses in the palestinian territories.

Israel has a free run at it and if anyone critizes them then the anti semitism card is played and they are silenced again.

[AARRRGH]

Originally Posted by Boston

This here is why its Anti-Semitic. Using something like this as another reason to condemn Israel and the Israelis is like using the infant organ retention scandal as a reason to put down the Irish.

What a ridiculous post.

Do you even know what antisemitism is?

How moronic. LOL.

[BlaasForRafa]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Well funnily enough, when I did a search on the Sri Lanka/Tamil issue I found two threads. One was started by Wes and the other was started by Nodin (who I presume you were referring to in you snide little "usual suspects" dig). Both of them contributed to both topics. Funnily enough I didn't see any post from you on either thread.

All you seem to want to do is come on to these threads, make stupid accusations, drag the thread off topic and not engage with the subject matter at hand.

I didn't post on those threads on purpose just to see what the usual suspects would say. I wasn't impressed.

[AARRRGH]

Boston,

I've just read some of your older posts and I can see you are Jewish. That might explain why you see frequently interpret innocent comments as antisemitic.

You appear to have a victim mentality and as a result aren't thinking clearly and aren't understanding things properly.

Suggesting someone is antisemitic is a very serious accusation, and reading your old posts it seems you are happy to throw this term at people, are you are nearly always wrong with your accusations.

As a result of this I think you need to leave your issues offline, or stop posting in these sorts of threads, as not only are you slandering people but you're also ruining this discussion.

It's irrelevant that Israel is mostly Jewish people. We could be talking about Ireland or Mexico. Religion is irrelevant.

[BlaasForRafa]

Originally Posted by wes

Odd that you complain about those who condemn this repulsive practice, and don't offer any condemnation of it.



Well, I was posting in that thread as well, but the main difference between that thread and Israel/Palestine ones, is that very few people go to the same lengths in defending the Sri Lankan regime, as those who defend Israel, and as such why these threads tend to be much longer.

Your own post is a perfect example of this. Bring up something that has nothing to do with the thread, as there really is no other way to defend Israel's actions in this instance.

Where exactly did I defend it hmmm?

The practice was wrong but this thread seems to be about using a relatively minor occurance to go on and on about the palestinian occupation. I do think its pretty rich that the focus goes (as per usual) on the palestinians rather than on Israeli civilians or IDF personnel.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by BlaasForRafa

I didn't post on those threads on purpose just to see what the usual suspects would say. I wasn't impressed.

Well why bitch then? I've read many of your posts also but I won't state what I thought of them here as it has little to do with the topic at hand.

Originally Posted by AARRRGH

Boston,

I've just read some of your older posts and I can see you are Jewish. That might explain why you see frequently interpret innocent comments as antisemitic.

You appear to have a victim mentality and as a result aren't thinking clearly and aren't understanding things properly.

Suggesting someone is antisemitic is a very serious accusation, and reading your old posts it seems you are happy to throw this term at people, are you are nearly always wrong with your accusations.

As a result of this I think you need to leave your issues offline, or stop posting in these sorts of threads, as not only are you slandering people but you're also ruining this discussion.

It's irrelevant that Israel is mostly Jewish people. We could be talking about Ireland or Mexico. Religion is irrelevant.

I don't think you should be stating who should or should not be posting on thesse threads. While the accusation of antisemitism is pointless and detrimental to the arguement. Anyway, him being Jewish (if he indeed is) should have no bearing on whether he should post and argue in these threads.