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29-11-2009, 10:36   #1
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Drawing nude/semi-nude underage girls - is that also pedophilia?

This is slightly serious, cos me and my mate (who is a moderator of popular art website Deviant Art) had a heated discussion about this.

So this is basically the story: someone, who says he has a college degree (definitely older than 18), draws semi-naked underage anime/animu girls, and uploads his stuff to Deviant Art. Some of the stuff is really borderline, yet he manages to get 6 million views, and a strong community of followers. My mate was thinking of warning him, but he changed his mind.

Is that kind of stuff acceptable as art or is he some kind of sick f*ck that's going to be the next Garry Glitter?
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29-11-2009, 10:39   #2
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Your mate should notify the owners of the website, they should make that judgement call for him if he is unsure.
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Unfortunately, it's accepted as art.

But In reality, it's just thinly disguised paedophilic images. Shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason, it is.
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It seems wrong to me.
there's definitely a grey area due to the fact that it's cartoon drawings.
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It's called lolicon and it's illegal in Ireland.
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This is slightly serious, cos me and my mate (who is a moderator of popular art website Deviant Art) had a heated discussion about this.

So this is basically the story: someone, who says he has a college degree (definitely older than 18), draws semi-naked underage anime/animu girls, and uploads his stuff to Deviant Art. Some of the stuff is really borderline, yet he manages to get 6 million views, and a strong community of followers. My mate was thinking of warning him, but he changed his mind.

Is that kind of stuff acceptable as art or is he some kind of sick f*ck that's going to be the next Garry Glitter?
Of course he does. Most of the people on Deviant Art (former bastion of all things awesome in the public art zone ) are now, well, 16 year old kids who use it as a dump for party pictures and horribly sketches.
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It's called lolicon and it's illegal in Ireland.
Wait, i'm confused.

Is he drawing actual girls, like has a real girl in front of him and is sketching them? Or are these images he's invented in his head and putting to paper?
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This is slightly serious, cos me and my mate (who is a moderator of popular art website Deviant Art) had a heated discussion about this.

So this is basically the story: someone, who says he has a college degree (definitely older than 18), draws semi-naked underage anime/animu girls, and uploads his stuff to Deviant Art. Some of the stuff is really borderline, yet he manages to get 6 million views, and a strong community of followers. My mate was thinking of warning him, but he changed his mind.

Is that kind of stuff acceptable as art or is he some kind of sick f*ck that's going to be the next Garry Glitter?
without seeing the "art" its difficult to judge but how do you know the anime/animu girls are underage - or is it that the bodies he draws are undeveloped.
A LOT of Manga/Anime fans enjoy the subservient nature of the characters - ie the young school girl fantasy that is allegedy every mans dream (does nothing for me) ..... anyway - its possible that the followers he has are just admirers of his work.

I know a woman in her mid/late 30's who draws anime characters similar to what you have described - I dont know if she has a following or not but I dont view the images as porn - some of the drawings are fairly erotic.

in short I understand your viewpoint - you are concerned about your friend - its possible that there are Paedo's amongst his followers although they usually go for actual images rather than cartoon drawings so highly unlikely. your friend more than likely has a fanbase of kids who identify with the characters and/or hardcore anime fans.

I believe that if your friend has potential to be successful for his work - look at it this way - if he charged every viewer €1 subscription fee (or even €5-€10 a month/year) for access to his work - he'd be a multi millionaire.
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I heard this story last month - http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa.../11570841.html

makes you wonder where the legal line is tbh
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I'm assuming there're no live models involved.

Just to turn this on it's head, there's a nude sculpture of a boy of about 12 by Canova in the National Art Gallery. Paedophilia or Art?

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I'm assuming the later there's no live models involved.

Just to turn this on it's head, there's a nude sculpture of a boy of about 12 by Canova in the National Art Gallery. Paedophilia or Art?
Art if you look at it, Paedophilia if you put anything in it's mouth.
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Art if you look at it, Paedophilia if you put anything in it's mouth.
by that definition then people with child/kiddie porn on their computers are viewing "ART"
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It is illegal in Ireland, Child Trafficking and Pornography Act, 1998.

Even if they are 18, and you represent them as being underage, it's child porn.

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[GA] (a) any visual representation—

[GA] (i) that shows or, in the case of a document, relates to a person who is or is depicted as being a child and who is engaged in or is depicted as being engaged in explicit sexual activity,

[GA] (ii) that shows or, in the case of a document, relates to a person who is or is depicted as being a child and who is or is depicted as witnessing any such activity by any person or persons, or

[GA] (iii) whose dominant characteristic is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of the genital or anal region of a child,

[GA] (b) any audio representation of a person who is or is represented as being a child and who is engaged in or is represented as being engaged in explicit sexual activity,

[GA] (c) any visual or audio representation that advocates, encourages or counsels any sexual activity with children which is an offence under any enactment, or

[GA] (d) any visual representation or description of, or information relating to, a child that indicates or implies that the child is available to be used for the purpose of sexual exploitation within the meaning of section 3,
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Illegal in Ireland but legal in most of the world so it's grand on Deviantart I guess..
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by that definition then people with child/kiddie porn on their computers are viewing "ART"
It wasn't a definition, it was a joke in AH.

If you want a serious discussion on something, here is not the place for it mate.
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