Are all irish people to blame for the abuse in the Catholic Church?

Spacedog · 26-11-2009, 20:24

Since when the government decided to limit the liability of the Church, long before the extent of the abuse was known, and that it is now known that the church knew the true extent of the abuse (and the projected financial liability) and covered up, then accepted the settlement of liability.

Seems to me that the Irish people were perfectly happy with this situation. We were and ARE all perfectly happy to foot the full bill of liability, through taxation, in a time of recession for crimes we did not commit, did not cover up, and had no control over what so ever.

Those responsible are:

1) The individuals who perpetrated the abuse (many have escaped justice)
2) The Catholic Church upper hierarchy from Archbishops upwards to the Pope in Dublin and in Rome who limited their liability through careful management and manipulation of law, political influence, and public relations.
3) The Public Services and past Government for turning their backs on these crimes and having faith in the Church to do the right thing at it's own expense, instead of following an ethical criminal process. (perhaps for fear of political unpopularity by a still largely faithful public.)
4) The Government of the present for promising action to the reporters and the press, but will say or do nothing else until the next report comes out in 10 years time...
5) The Irish People for being aware of this exact situation long before this report was published, and not having the courage, passion or the balls to demand justice from the perpetrators, or severe financial penalties from the institution that allowed it.

OK Rant Over, mods feel free to lock the thread for flaming like you did with the last one I posted a few weeks ago when the issue didn't matter to anyone...

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I'll post another one in 10 years

good luck.

Ikky Poo2 · 26-11-2009, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedog

Since when the government decided to limit the liability of the Church, long before the extent of the abuse was known, and that it is now known that the church knew the true extent of the abuse (and the projected financial liability) and covered up, then accepted the settlement of liability.

Seems to me that the Irish people were perfectly happy with this situation. We were and ARE all perfectly happy to foot the full bill of liability, through taxation, in a time of recession for crimes we did not commit, did not cover up, and had no control over what so ever.

Those responsible are:

1) The individuals who perpetrated the abuse (many have escaped justice)
2) The Catholic Church upper hierarchy from Archbishops upwards to the Pope in Dublin and in Rome who limited their liability through careful management and manipulation of law, political influence, and public relations.
3) The Public Services and past Government for turning their backs on these crimes and having faith in the Church to do the right thing at it's own expense, instead of following an ethical criminal process. (perhaps for fear of political unpopularity by a still largely faithful public.)
4) The Government of the present for promising action to the reporters and the press, but will say or do nothing else until the next report comes out in 10 years time...
5) The Irish People for being aware of this exact situation long before this report was published, and not having the courage, passion or the balls to demand justice from the perpetrators, or severe financial penalties from the institution that allowed it.

OK Rant Over, mods feel free to lock the thread for flaming like you did with the last one I posted a few weeks ago when the issue didn't matter to anyone...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055711729

I'll post another one in 10 years

good luck.

Haven't read your post, but in answer to your thread title... No. Stop being silly.

Fuhrer · 26-11-2009, 20:34

No.

**TheZohan** · 26-11-2009, 20:35

No.

thomond2006 · 26-11-2009, 20:37

Dear God No!

mike65 · 26-11-2009, 20:40

Only those who abused, those who had the power to stop the abuse, those who had the power to prosecute the abusers and those who knew or seriously suspected something but said nothing are to blame.

Dunno how many that is.

Dionysus · 26-11-2009, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedog

Since when the government decided to limit the liability of the Church, long before the extent of the abuse was known, and that it is now known that the church knew the true extent of the abuse (and the projected financial liability) and covered up, then accepted the settlement of liability.

Seems to me that the Irish people were perfectly happy with this situation. We were and ARE all perfectly happy to foot the full bill of liability, through taxation, in a time of recession for crimes we did not commit, did not cover up, and had no control over what so ever.

Those responsible are:

1) The individuals who perpetrated the abuse (many have escaped justice)
2) The Catholic Church upper hierarchy from Archbishops upwards to the Pope in Dublin and in Rome who limited their liability through careful management and manipulation of law, political influence, and public relations.
3) The Public Services and past Government for turning their backs on these crimes and having faith in the Church to do the right thing at it's own expense, instead of following an ethical criminal process. (perhaps for fear of political unpopularity by a still largely faithful public.)
4) The Government of the present for promising action to the reporters and the press, but will say or do nothing else until the next report comes out in 10 years time...
5) The Irish People for being aware of this exact situation long before this report was published, and not having the courage, passion or the balls to demand justice from the perpetrators, or severe financial penalties from the institution that allowed it.

OK Rant Over, mods feel free to lock the thread for flaming like you did with the last one I posted a few weeks ago when the issue didn't matter to anyone...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055711729

I'll post another one in 10 years

good luck.

Well, with the exception of much derided "radicals" like Peadar O Donnell, there was a fairly strong "shut mouth catches no flies" consensus in Irish society which revolved around unquestioning support for the Catholic Church.

Latchy · 26-11-2009, 20:40