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Run_to_da_hills · 05-11-2009, 13:39

I don't know how this will work out while sharing the same line with their extended diesel commuter and mainline service. Origionally back in 1984 wasn't the Dart to operate every 15 minutes?

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...s-1934595.html

dcr22B · 05-11-2009, 13:59

I'll tell you how, they've cut back on the Northern Commuter services.

Unbelievable!

KC61 · 05-11-2009, 14:33

That has nothing to do with introducing a clockface DART timetable.

dcr22B · 05-11-2009, 14:35

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Originally Posted by KC61

That has nothing to do with introducing a clockface DART timetable.

Well, I beg to differ.

The Northern Commuter service has to put up with sitting behind DARTs in the first place and now most of our direct Donabate-Connolly trains now have to stop in Malahide and Portmarnock.

It's a joke TBFH.

markpb · 05-11-2009, 14:47

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Originally Posted by dcr22B

The Northern Commuter service has to put up with sitting behind DARTs in the first place and now most of our direct Donabate-Connolly trains now have to stop in Malahide and Portmarnock.

Alternatively, our Darts have had to be delayed and big gaps added to the timetable to allow your northern commuter trains to go past without collecting us :-)

KC61 · 05-11-2009, 14:48

Cutting back on northern line services has nothing to do with operating a clockface DART. It is perfectly possible to operate a clockface DART, Belfast, Rosslare and Maynooth service and maintain the existing levels of service.

The problem is as follows:
1) The sidings in Malahide are in completely the wrong location. When IE tried to put in sidings north of the station, residents objected. This means that DART services would block the northern route. Hence more DART services to Howth than Malahide.
2) No effort was made by IE to clockface the Northern and Maynooth routes - a wasted opportunity.

dcr22B · 05-11-2009, 15:08

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Originally Posted by KC61

Cutting back on northern line services has nothing to do with operating a clockface DART. It is perfectly possible to operate a clockface DART, Belfast, Rosslare and Maynooth service and maintain the existing levels of service.

That's just my point, due to the clockface arrangements in place, we now have one less rush hour train home north and our already overcrowded trains will also have to stop in Portmarnock and Malahide despite their already improving situation.

The Northern service is not maintaining its existing level of service, let alone the obvious fact that it's not even in service at present.

KC61 · 05-11-2009, 16:30

Again, you're missing the point. The change in the Northern Line schedules - i.e. the half hour gap in the evening peak - is not due to the clockface DART - it is perfectly possible to maintain the existing Northern line services within the confines of the clockface DART.

It is down to IE management not making the other services clockface, and choosing to make it haphazard.

There is a BIG difference.

dcr22B · 05-11-2009, 17:11

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Originally Posted by KC61

Again, you're missing the point. The change in the Northern Line schedules - i.e. the half hour gap in the evening peak - is not due to the clockface DART - it is perfectly possible to maintain the existing Northern line services within the confines of the clockface DART.

It is down to IE management not making the other services clockface, and choosing to make it haphazard.

There is a BIG difference.

Fair enough, you normally know your stuff around here better than I do.

I'm just annoyed that an already overcrowded and slow service (due to being hemmed in behind DARTs when it would be much easier to delay a DART and let us run ahead unimpeded) now has to make additional stops for Malahide and Portmarnock residents who will already be benefitting from an improved DART service. Our trains are going to become even more packed and if somebody from Malahide or Portmarnock tries their best to get on an already packed citybound commuter train, there will be trouble (albeit not caused by myself and not the fault of said commuter either).

Sometimes I wonder what those in scheduling actually think about when they're instigating these changes.

Tipsy Mac · 05-11-2009, 19:37

They should put an express Howth or Portmarnock train on that only stops at every 3rd station from Pearse, there's too much doubling up on the service and would result in faster service for those going past Howth Junction.

Rashers72 · 05-11-2009, 19:52

As far as I can tell, all journey times on the Northern suburban line have got longer. This is on top of the additional minutes added in the last few years. Sitting behind DARTs between Malahide and Connolly is now the norm.

These extra stops (with the longer journey times) now added will start to make the overall service unattractive in the medium term, especially if the 33X service gets extended.
If that happens, I would expect a lot of passengers from the Rush and Lusk direction to keep with the 33X. And IE look to have spent a significant sum on expanding the station car park at Rush and Lusk - it's huge! What a waste of money if they then go and make the journey times unattractive.
Time will tell.

Maldini2706 · 06-11-2009, 05:04

Are there any plans to extend the DART beyond Malahide? It would make sense to go out to Balbriggan, the lines are already there, surely it can't cost that much to electrify them.

Rashers72 · 06-11-2009, 06:14

Yes, there are plans. It's all linked with the Interconnector. Details on the Irish Rail website. It's a minimum of 3-5 years away, at the earliest.
But as been mentioned here previously, the extension of the DART to Balbriggan is linked to a huge capital spend by the government, and every day that becomes a little less likely. However, heres hoping!

paulm17781 · 06-11-2009, 11:21

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Originally Posted by dcr22B

I'm just annoyed that an already overcrowded and slow service (due to being hemmed in behind DARTs when it would be much easier to delay a DART and let us run ahead unimpeded) now has to make additional stops for Malahide and Portmarnock residents who will already be benefitting from an improved DART service.

Why not get the DART to Malahide / Portmarnock and wait there for your train? You will then benefit from the more frequent DART service, won't have to wait in the city centre as long and all the people going to Malahide / Portmarnock will be off the train.

Captain Chaos · 06-11-2009, 11:31

I really can't see the point of extending the DART north of Malahide. If so it means slow DART services will block up the nothern line of Commuter and Enterprise services for longer. Unless they quad track the line which is impossible or add alot of passing loops like the one being installed at Clongriffen station.

That and the manner in which the DARTs are driven needs a major kick in the rear, they are capable of far higher performance than the manner of which they saunter around lately. Ever get one of the semi fast services in the evening that go non-stop from Clontarf to Howth Junction, they can move when they need to but there seems to be a new speed restriction just before Killester station north bound, every DART for the past few weeks slows drastically and then spped up there.

And the new safety signaling equipment is really hampering them. The amount of times they are forced to make slow approaches into stations because of the ATP system, the breaks just slam on and and alot of people go flying inside, the driver accelerates again and ATP decides to slam back on. It's far to over protective of a system.

05-11-2009, 13:39	#1
Run_to_da_hills Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,805 Adverts \| Friends	DART to run service every 15 minutes I don't know how this will work out while sharing the same line with their extended diesel commuter and mainline service. Origionally back in 1984 wasn't the Dart to operate every 15 minutes? http://www.independent.ie/national-n...s-1934595.html

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Rashers72 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 561 Adverts \| Friends	Northern Suburban line As far as I can tell, all journey times on the Northern suburban line have got longer. This is on top of the additional minutes added in the last few years. Sitting behind DARTs between Malahide and Connolly is now the norm. These extra stops (with the longer journey times) now added will start to make the overall service unattractive in the medium term, especially if the 33X service gets extended. If that happens, I would expect a lot of passengers from the Rush and Lusk direction to keep with the 33X. And IE look to have spent a significant sum on expanding the station car park at Rush and Lusk - it's huge! What a waste of money if they then go and make the journey times unattractive. Time will tell.

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Rashers72 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 561 Adverts \| Friends	Yes, there are plans. It's all linked with the Interconnector. Details on the Irish Rail website. It's a minimum of 3-5 years away, at the earliest. But as been mentioned here previously, the extension of the DART to Balbriggan is linked to a huge capital spend by the government, and every day that becomes a little less likely. However, heres hoping! Last edited by Rashers72; 07-11-2009 at 08:39.

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05-11-2009, 13:59	#2
dcr22B Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Viva Lusk Vegas, North County Dublin Posts: 2,422 Adverts \| Friends	I'll tell you how, they've cut back on the Northern Commuter services. Unbelievable!

05-11-2009, 14:33	#3
KC61 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,310 Adverts \| Friends	That has nothing to do with introducing a clockface DART timetable.

05-11-2009, 14:48	#6
KC61 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,310 Adverts \| Friends	Cutting back on northern line services has nothing to do with operating a clockface DART. It is perfectly possible to operate a clockface DART, Belfast, Rosslare and Maynooth service and maintain the existing levels of service. The problem is as follows: 1) The sidings in Malahide are in completely the wrong location. When IE tried to put in sidings north of the station, residents objected. This means that DART services would block the northern route. Hence more DART services to Howth than Malahide. 2) No effort was made by IE to clockface the Northern and Maynooth routes - a wasted opportunity.

05-11-2009, 16:30	#8
KC61 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,310 Adverts \| Friends	Again, you're missing the point. The change in the Northern Line schedules - i.e. the half hour gap in the evening peak - is not due to the clockface DART - it is perfectly possible to maintain the existing Northern line services within the confines of the clockface DART. It is down to IE management not making the other services clockface, and choosing to make it haphazard. There is a BIG difference.

05-11-2009, 19:37	#10
Tipsy Mac Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,539 Adverts \| Friends	They should put an express Howth or Portmarnock train on that only stops at every 3rd station from Pearse, there's too much doubling up on the service and would result in faster service for those going past Howth Junction.

06-11-2009, 05:04	#12
Maldini2706 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 345 Adverts \| Friends	Are there any plans to extend the DART beyond Malahide? It would make sense to go out to Balbriggan, the lines are already there, surely it can't cost that much to electrify them.

06-11-2009, 11:31	#15
Captain Chaos Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,526 Adverts \| Friends	I really can't see the point of extending the DART north of Malahide. If so it means slow DART services will block up the nothern line of Commuter and Enterprise services for longer. Unless they quad track the line which is impossible or add alot of passing loops like the one being installed at Clongriffen station. That and the manner in which the DARTs are driven needs a major kick in the rear, they are capable of far higher performance than the manner of which they saunter around lately. Ever get one of the semi fast services in the evening that go non-stop from Clontarf to Howth Junction, they can move when they need to but there seems to be a new speed restriction just before Killester station north bound, every DART for the past few weeks slows drastically and then spped up there. And the new safety signaling equipment is really hampering them. The amount of times they are forced to make slow approaches into stations because of the ATP system, the breaks just slam on and and alot of people go flying inside, the driver accelerates again and ATP decides to slam back on. It's far to over protective of a system.