[odoylerulez]

Originally Posted by Justind

Oh relax with the melodrama.
I mentioned his denial of his passport history simply because he lied. I don't give a stuff if he was an Albanian.

Ganley was not telling the truth. He was ignoring the legal guarantees and cherry-picking snippets of the treaty to misinform.
If that suits you, then fine. It doesn't with me.

My friend when there is one group running the whole show a legal gaurentee from politicians is as good as a used car salesmans promise. Its amazing how people are clinging onto this not realising the implications of it. Who's going to court when they break it(which they will) the people? Do you think the government will side against their political masters in brussels over the people's freedoms. Do you not think the bureacrats in brussels have all the judge's in their back pockets even at an international level? Your not paying attention to the governments history and past actions then i'd suggest.

Its amazing how naieve people are. To give away their countries freedoms and sovereignty based on a 'legal gaurentee' is showing how much you value your own country.

[Biggins]

Originally Posted by odoylerulez

My friend when there is one group running the whole show a legal guarantee is as good as a used car salesmans promise.

True, like a military man selling weapons either!

Originally Posted by odoylerulez

Its amazing how naive people are.

This is true as well. He stands up in this country for ONE issue and some people are willing to sell him the whole shop - why?
Because he speaks well!

Naive indeed. Some supporters are like a horse wearing blinkers!

[odoylerulez]

Originally Posted by Biggins

True, like a military man selling weapons either!



This is true as well. He stands up in this country for ONE issue and some people are willing to sell him the whole shop - why?
Because he speaks well!

Naive indeed. Some supporters are like a horse wearing blinkers!

Well there is something to be said for dressing well and appearing presentable and keeping your voice level low which i dunno appeals to the public. I mean that still does stand for something you know rather then appearing slobbish, overweight, inarticulate and boorish in speech. Thats just human nature though people do like to hear and listen to people who are presentable. Or would you show up for an interview with hair messy, food down your clothes dribbling from the mouth?

To top that off he at least presents us with some semblance of reality of whats going on at the top and is calling our corrupt politicans out which is something they really don't like. They like to be surrounded by yes men.

[prinz]

Originally Posted by odoylerulez

Well there is something to be said for dressing well and appearing presentable and keeping your voice level low which i dunno appeals to the public. I mean that still does stand for something you know rather then appearing slobbish, overweight, inarticulate and boorish in speech.

So we should vote him because he has a shiny new suit, and a shiny new head? When have a 300 odd million fortune behind me I'll get a pretty decent suit too. Will you vote for me?

Originally Posted by odoylerulez

To top that off he at least presents us with some semblance of reality of whats going on at the top and is calling our corrupt politicans out which is something they really don't like. They like to be surrounded by yes men.

He knows what's going on "at the top" does he? From what, his own extensive experience as an elected official? Public representative? Politician?....

[Biggins]

Originally Posted by odoylerulez

Well there is something to be said for dressing well and appearing presentable and keeping your voice level low which i dunno appeals to the public. I mean that still does stand for something you know rather then appearing slobbish, overweight, inarticulate and boorish in speech. Thats just human nature though people do like to hear and listen to people who are presentable. Or would you show up for an interview with hair messy, food down your clothes dribbling from the mouth?

To top that off he at least presents us with some semblance of reality of whats going on at the top and is calling our corrupt politicans out which is something they really don't like. They like to be surrounded by yes men.

O' look for gods sake!

We can grab anybody off the street, dress them up in a suit, ask them to speak on ONE issue - that sure as hell don't make them alternative material.
Even Hitler came out like Mussolini, Mugabe, Castro, etc and gave out about what went on before and who did it?
Did that make them any better (than the previous) or are you still missing my point?

Clearly those blinkers are not allowing you to see the full picture and until your willing at at least investigate those your willing to vote for, naivety indeed is still rampant in this country.

[OldJay]

Originally Posted by odoylerulez

My friend when there is one group running the whole show a legal gaurentee from politicians is as good as a used car salesmans promise. Its amazing how people are clinging onto this not realising the implications of it. Who's going to court when they break it(which they will) the people? Do you think the government will side against their political masters in brussels over the people's freedoms. Do you not think the bureacrats in brussels have all the judge's in their back pockets even at an international level? Your not paying attention to the governments history and past actions then i'd suggest

Discuss your conspiracy theories in the appropriate forum.

If you're going to lecture me on the structure of the EU and its commissions, please read up on it before doing you.
Otherwise, you look fairly out of your depth on this subject and I'd say underwater if ever away from the net.
There are far too many delusionaries out there who seem to have some effed-up ideal that the Republic of Ireland can be self-subsistent. They'll even throw out some ridiculous comparisons with Norway and Switzerland.

Originally Posted by odoylerulez

Its amazing how naieve people are. To give away their countries freedoms and sovereignty based on a 'legal gaurentee' is showing how much you value your own country.

A legal guarantee is good enough for its signees here on this island (the Good Friday Agreement). Are you saying that this is worthless?

Sorry, kiddo. Not good enough.

[AugustusMaximus]

Did Ganley announce that he is pro European integration on defence and wouldn't be against a European army ?

[Blazer]

Originally Posted by ei.sdraob

my list against Ganley (feel free to add!)

6. having US military personnel who are responsible for starting wars on his company

I was under the impression that only the President of the USA had the authority to declare war only with Congress's approval unless it was provoked like in Pearl Harbour

[dodgyme]

I love to see ganley in the dail. First act to hang JOD (methaphorically speaking)

[ei.sdraob]

Originally Posted by Berkut

I was under the impression that only the President of the USA had the authority to declare war only with Congress's approval unless it was provoked like in Pearl Harbour

Richard Myers was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (2001-2005), Air Force Gen.

under Bush 2 when they went to Iraq


guess whose opinion Bush had to listen to?

guess who was in charge when the Iraq prisoner abuse happened?

some interesting reads

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/09/hbc-90005659

The United States military had a proud record of upholding the Geneva Conventions in the roughly fifty years that followed their restatement in 1949. Suddenly, beginning in 2002, it went off the tracks. The American public first began to focus on that fact in April 2004, when photographs from an American prison in Iraq appeared on Sixty Minutes and in the New Yorker. The photos showed the torture and abuse of prisoners in a specially controlled cellblock containing high-value detainees. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard B. Myers at his side, pushed back, attributing the incident to “a few bad apples.” That was shortly exposed as a lie, as evidence mounted that the techniques shown in the photographs at Abu Ghraib had in fact been approved by Rumsfeld and were applied, sometimes with fatal consequences, in U.S. prisons around the world–from Bagram in Afghanistan to Guantánamo.

yes the guy in charge of starting that quaqmire is working with Ganley now

and his only one of many on that company

[jhegarty]

Originally Posted by ei.sdraob

General Myers was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (2001-2005), Air Force Gen.

under Bush2 when they went to Iraq

So he was a solider who followed orders.

Are you suggesting there should have been a coup d'état ?

[ei.sdraob]

Originally Posted by jhegarty

So he was a solider who followed orders.

Are you suggesting there should have been a coup d'état ?

A soldier who followed orders?

wow just wow

the guy was in charge of the army at the time the war started, he was the one who pitched the idea of War! the only guy in charge of him was The Chief himself > George W. Bush

heres some reading for you

himself and Bush should be dragged to the Hague for war crimes

[jhegarty]

Originally Posted by ei.sdraob

A soldier who followed orders?

wow just wow

the guy was in charge of the army at the time the war started, he was the one who pitched the idea of War! the only guy in charge of him was The Chief himself > George W. Bush

heres some reading for you

himself and Bush should be dragged to the Hague for war crimes

So you are in favour of a coup d'état ?

[ei.sdraob]

Originally Posted by jhegarty

So you are in favour of a coup d'état ?

im in favour of war criminals being charged with what they deserve

he urged Bush to start the war

he could have told him "no this is a bad idea" and Bush would have had to listen, no need for a coup d'état

and now this guy and others from Bush'es inner circle are working for Ganley

tho in hindsight removing Bush would have save north of a million lives in Iraq alone

[bug]

Just as an aside was anyone watching Farrage on BBC news 24 yesterday?
He basically said there is a gap in the market in Ireland for a party.

I can't remember his exact words, but outside of his main message, it was sort of alarming.

I'd agree that there is a gap in the market for a new party and that's where it ends. Either we fill it ourselves or we will get outside rightwingers doing it for us.

As far as ganley is concerned he's a bit of a nothing in nice clothes.
Simmons was far more the intellectual speaker, saw her on France24 and she was amazing. She doesn't hesitate like Ganley.

As a no voter he did our bidding in the lead up to the referendum but that's where my alliances with them would end.

The laughable end of this for me was Lenihan portraying him as Dr. Evil just days before the referendum.
Indeed them being able to portray him in such a light lead to many more questions in my mind.

I think that any new party to enter into the irish political stage will be portrayed as the devil.
I've never seen anything like this before in Irish politics, we are entering into a really interesting time indeed.