Over 21's

dlofnep · 01-09-2009, 16:36

I'm almost sure that it's illegal to have Over 21's in clubs. I'm 26 now, so I don't have problems anymore with this - but just out of curiosity, can anyone clarify if it's legal for a bouncer to stop you at the door on the premise of you being over 18, but under 21?

bluewolf · 01-09-2009, 16:39

it's their business, they don't have to allow anyone in that they don't want to
if that includes under 21, that's their prerogative.

minidazzler · 01-09-2009, 16:41

Well ROAR means they can tell anyone feck off, but texhnically it's discrimination based on age.

So it's weird.

dlofnep · 01-09-2009, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluewolf

it's their business, they don't have to allow anyone in that they don't want to
if that includes under 21, that's their prerogative.

Yes, they can reject you - but rejection on the basis of age is ageist isn't it?

dlofnep · 01-09-2009, 16:42

Any law students here able to confirm this?

Local-womanizer · 01-09-2009, 16:43

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Originally Posted by dlofnep

Yes, they can reject you - but rejection on the basis of age is ageist isn't it?

Yes,but they dont have to tell you why you are not allowed in.If challenged they could just say they thought you had to much drink on you,or looked like trouble.

jape · 01-09-2009, 16:46

Over 23's ftw

ShooterSF · 01-09-2009, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Local-womanizer

Yes,but they dont have to tell you why you are not allowed in.If challenged they could just say they thought you had to much drink on you,or looked like trouble.

Yes but places have signs up saying "Over 21" etc. the equivalent of telling a traveller they can't be served as they're full when there's a sign behind the bar saying "No Travellers."

**TheZohan** · 01-09-2009, 16:57

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Originally Posted by dlofnep

I'm almost sure that it's illegal to have Over 21's in clubs. I'm 26 now, so I don't have problems anymore with this - but just out of curiosity, can anyone clarify if it's legal for a bouncer to stop you at the door on the premise of you being over 18, but under 21?

Is she hot?

JC 2K3 · 01-09-2009, 17:03

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Originally Posted by dlofnep

Yes, they can reject you - but rejection on the basis of age is ageist isn't it?

By that logic, is being rejected on any basis not discrimination in some form?

ShooterSF · 01-09-2009, 17:05

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Originally Posted by JC 2K3

By that logic, is being rejected on any basis not discrimination in some form?

Isn't ageism one of the legal protected types though, like gender, religion, race etc. I think there is 7, trying to find a link.

LiamD · 01-09-2009, 17:11

It is not illegal. Section 25 of the Intoxicating Liquor Act 2003 allows a licence holder to set a minimum age for the provision of alcohol in their premises.

Quote:

(4) If—

(a) the holder of a licence or other authorisation which permits the sale of intoxicating liquor adopts a policy of refusing to supply intoxicating liquor to any person below a specified age which exceeds 18 years,

(b) a notice setting out the policy is displayed in a conspicuous place in or on the exterior of the premises, and

(c) the policy is implemented in good faith,

a refusal to serve intoxicating liquor to such a person shall not constitute discrimination on the age ground.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/...1/sec0025.html
http://www.hayes-solicitors.ie/news/...ecember_17.htm

Discrimination on other grounds e.g. race or sexual orientation is not permitted and licence holders can lose their licence if found guilty.

ShooterSF · 01-09-2009, 17:14

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Originally Posted by LiamD

It is not illegal. Section 25 of the Intoxicating Liquor Act 2003 allows a licence holder to set a minimum age for the provision of alcohol in their premises.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/...1/sec0025.html
http://www.hayes-solicitors.ie/news/...ecember_17.htm

Discrimination on other grounds e.g. race or sexual orientation is not permitted and licence holders can lose their licence if found guilty.

Is this just an exemption from age descrimination or is there such thing? If I owned a bar could I say 18-35's only?

buynow · 01-09-2009, 17:14

There was a law introduced in 2000 called the Equal Status Act for all sorts of discrimination which made over 21's etc illegal, and pubs generally complied and everywhere was just over 18 for a bit.

However they amended it a few years later if I recall correctly to make an exemption for age discrimintion in pubs so setting min age is legal again.

**TheZohan** · 01-09-2009, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShooterSF

Is this just an exemption from age descrimination or is there such thing? If I owned a bar could I say 18-35's only?

Cheap booze and loud music would sort that out for you.

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buynow Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Meriland Posts: 90 Adverts \| Friends	There was a law introduced in 2000 called the Equal Status Act for all sorts of discrimination which made over 21's etc illegal, and pubs generally complied and everywhere was just over 18 for a bit. However they amended it a few years later if I recall correctly to make an exemption for age discrimintion in pubs so setting min age is legal again.