[Dublin_Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sad Professor

No, that hasn't been established - at all.

Okay, there might be a chestburster in the film. So what? It's set in the same universe and Lindelof has suggested that Alien fans will get their "encore". That means we may get some facehugger/chestburster action. That doesn't mean that they are lying about the film not being another Alien film. They are trying to do something different here and for them that's enough to be able to say this isn't an Alien prequel.

If this was a "fully fledged Alien film" then you would expect it to be about the same thing the other films were about: facehuggers, chestbursters and xenomorphs. That's what people would expect from an Alien film. They haven't called the film Alien because that's obviously not what the film is about.

Ok, you stick with your conspiracy theories!

So its set in the same universe, with the same elements (Weyland / humans / SpaceJockeys + ship / Xenomorphs) - but its not an Alien film...

Personally, I don't think Scott is that clever, or stupid.

Its going to give us an introduction to the Xeno's, and provide a bit of a genesis story for them. Just because every second scene may not involve one, doesn't mean the premise of the film does not focus on their creation etc

[jcf]

Remember something burst out of the space jockeys chest .... This will happen in this film and Ridley Scott has hinted in an empire interview that it will be a xenomorph ....

[Sad Professor]

Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner

Ok, you stick with your conspiracy theories!

So its set in the same universe, with the same elements (Weyland / humans / SpaceJockeys + ship / Xenomorphs) - but its not an Alien film...

Conspiracy theory? Me? How? You are the one who thinks the studio, the director, the writer and the cast are lying about this not being an Alien prequel, and that they are doing this to intentionally mislead everyone.

Personally, I don't think Scott is that clever, or stupid.

Its going to give us an introduction to the Xeno's, and provide a bit of a genesis story for them. Just because every second scene may not involve one, doesn't mean the premise of the film does not focus on their creation etc

But that's the thing: everything Lindelof has said suggests the film doesn't focus on that.

Look, if being set in the same universe makes this a prequel in your view, then that's fine. What I'm disputing is your argument that they are lying/misleading people when they say this isn't an Alien prequel. None of us have seen the film, so we don't know. But they obviously feel this film is different enough to not be considered a prequel. That's all I'm saying.

[Oafley Jones]

Part of me wonders if that was less misdirection and more a strategic decision in trying to initially separate the movie from the previous (let's be honest tainted) franchise.

[Mellor]

Originally Posted by jcf

whats the difference between a direct prequel and one set before in teh same universe?

A prequel is series of events in the same story arc. (eg episodes 1-3 of Star Wars were prequels as they were clearly about events directly leading up to episodes 4-6.)
This film is set in the same universe, but not a prequel. The events that will take place are canonical with the events of the film, but they are for the msot part not directly related. There could be some crossover of single events. (Eg. The DC universe. Tony Stark appearing in Hulk, Hawkeye in Thor. All the events are occuring the the same universe, but are separate arcs. Although, the arcs will merging with the avengers)

The other situation would be same story/character but separate universes. (eg Burton vrs Nolan's Batman)

Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner

People want an Alien film, and everything that goes with it. That means Aliens!

Sure, it may well be a different timeline, not have any direct relationship with the original(s) - but make no mistake, this is / will be an Alien film 100%.

If they came out and said. it's an alien prequel. People would assume a remake, be disappointed if the aliens were central etc.
If they said its not a prequel and it ends up being complete about aliens (it clearly isn't) people would universally making little faces.

But this way. "It's not a prequel - but same universe". People are getting excited about every little refererence to the original. Very clever marketing in terms of promotion, and even more so in terms of just letting the script be judged on its own merits

[al28283]

Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner

Duggy - we've more or less established that was all BS to throw us off the scent. This will be a fully fledged Alien movie. There's a chest burster in the clips ffs.

when did "we" establish this?

[Sad Professor]

Sounds like Ridley has given in to PG-13, but is being forced to make even more cuts:

He also expressed frustration at the MPAA’s seemingly random approach to ratings, saying he wanted Prometheus to get a rating “that allows it to make as much money as possible. I know the importance of that. When a big film fails, it’s disastrous for all of us.” But he also blasted some of the “films this year that have got PG-13 ratings – it’s absolutely ****ing ludicrous. So MPAA, get your house in order.”

http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsono...sbender-rapace

[stevenmu]

I've been assuming all along that it's set in the same universe, it'll feature xenomorphs/face-huggers/chest-bursters in some form or other, and maybe other bits of mythology from the Alien films, but they won't be the central premise of the film. They won't be the central plot line, therefore it's not a direct prequel.

[Dublin_Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sad Professor

Conspiracy theory? Me? How? You are the one who thinks the studio, the director, the writer and the cast are lying about this not being an Alien prequel, and that they are doing this to intentionally mislead everyone.


But that's the thing: everything Lindelof has said suggests the film doesn't focus on that.

Look, if being set in the same universe makes this a prequel in your view, then that's fine. What I'm disputing is your argument that they are lying/misleading people when they say this isn't an Alien prequel. None of us have seen the film, so we don't know. But they obviously feel this film is different enough to not be considered a prequel. That's all I'm saying.

You seem to want to focus on the fact I said it is a prequel. I never once said it was a prequel. I said I believe this is / will be an Alien film. And I still believe that.

But prequel? No.

[jcf]

hang on, its on the same rock as they found the original ship (LV??) , the space jockey is there ...the ship is there seems like a prequel to me, maybe it wont feature the xenos (i think it will make an appearance at the end) but for me it's a prequel.



lets see..

. oh yeah and this rating bullsh'it , it could ruin the film, why are they aiming this movie at kids ? they won't have a clue about the alien film ... its a shame when something is so popular - it can be it's own downfall..

[Sad Professor]

Originally Posted by Dublin_Gunner

You seem to want to focus on the fact I said it is a prequel. I never once said it was a prequel. I said I believe this is / will be an Alien film. And I still believe that.

But prequel? No.

Alien film/Alien prequel, same thing IMO. You said the premise of the film will be the origin of the xenomorph. That sounds like a prequel to me. It's a matter of focus. I don't think being set in the same universe and having some of the same elements necessarily makes this an Alien film.

But lets pick up this debate after the film has been released and we've seen it. Because neither of us know what we're talking about at the moment and only have what Scott/Lindelof have said and a potentially misleading trailer to go on. It's quite possible, like Oafley said, they are trying to distance themselves from the old franchise while throwing in enough of the old elements to interest Alien fans. Being a standalone film and an Alien prequel aren't necessarily incompatible. It may well be both depending on how you look at it.

[Mickeroo]

Originally Posted by jcf

hang on, its on the same rock as they found the original ship (LV??) , the space jockey is there ...the ship is there seems like a prequel to me, maybe it wont feature the xenos (i think it will make an appearance at the end) but for me it's a prequel.

We don't know its LV-426, I wouldn't think it is tbh. I think it could be the planet the crashed ship on LV-426 left from maybe.

[Handsome Bob]

I think it's hard to deny that the xenomorph will be involved (see the still from the last trailer I posted a few pages back), but I reckon a xenomorph appearance will only bookend the film.

I'd be willing t bet that the film will more or less have nothing to do with the xenomorph itself. In the recent Empire spread on the film, when asked about a possible Xenomorph appearance, Lindelof made an analogy of going to a Rolling Stones concert; at some point you'll be expecting them to play Sympathy for the Devil.

[paddy kerins]

Originally Posted by Mickeroo

We don't know its LV-426, I wouldn't think it is tbh. I think it could be the planet the crashed ship on LV-426 left from maybe.

It won't be on LV-426 but instead on LV-223

http://www.empireonline.com/empirebl...tes/post/p1219

[foxyboxer]

Just from viewing the trailer, I can assume.

We see the Spoiler: ship crash, which I presume is after the pilot space jockey dies after a chestburst ergo, xenomorph.