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grenache · 30-06-2009, 02:15

On last weekend's performances, antrim and sligo are certainly better teams than roscommon, and on current form tipp are also.

DB10 · 30-06-2009, 12:25

Looking at that list Tipp,Antrim and Sligo are better I agree.

But I would add Fermanagh who are a very poor side.

TheWifeBeater · 30-06-2009, 23:42

Ya Roscommon are fairly ****e at the moment. But they MAY gain a small amount of competetivness when there crop of minors mature although i think donie shine is VERY overrated.

DC_Roscommon · 02-07-2009, 10:27

We've got through to the last 4 Connaught minor finals.... Maybe

dec25532 · 02-07-2009, 23:00

The only good thing that Roscommon did last Sunday week was make Mayo believe (foolishly) that not alone will they win Connacht but an All-Ireland title is there for the taking.

Someone earlier mentioned the need for Nigel Dineen to be brought back, more like Frankie Dolan to my mind or indeed Shane Curran. There were players with steel. Roscommon do not have any cut about them now and won't last p**sing time in the qualifiers.

LeoB · 03-07-2009, 00:01

From what I hear maybe club football and the standards need to be looked at. CONDITIONED mentioned he was impressed with the club sides physicality and agression but didnt mention skill. Is there to much emphasis on the physical side of things in club football in Roscommon? From what I hear the answer is yes.

It would be great to see them back in Croke Pk like the great sides of the late 70s and early 80s with Early, Murray Finneran Freyne and the likes.

DC_Roscommon · 03-07-2009, 20:53

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Originally Posted by LeoB

From what I hear maybe club football and the standards need to be looked at. CONDITIONED mentioned he was impressed with the club sides physicality and agression but didnt mention skill. Is there to much emphasis on the physical side of things in club football in Roscommon? From what I hear the answer is yes.

Maybe in club football but certainly not in the senior side. Mayo were much more physically stronger than Ros. Maybe there were too many U-21 playing, You have to wonder what they do be doing in training..... I hope the draw is kind to us but I'd put money on that we'll get Kerry away.....
May

DC_Roscommon · 03-07-2009, 21:01

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Originally Posted by dec25532

The only good thing that Roscommon did last Sunday week was make Mayo believe (foolishly) that not alone will they win Connacht but an All-Ireland title is there for the taking.

Hmmm... I think Mayo will win Connaught. Galway deserved to be beaten last Sunday.

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Originally Posted by dec25532

Someone earlier mentioned the need for Nigel Dineen to be brought back, more like Frankie Dolan to my mind or indeed Shane Curran. There were players with steel. Roscommon do not have any cut about them now and won't last p**sing time in the qualifiers.

They had talent too

DC_Roscommon · 05-07-2009, 21:37

Wexford away... I hope we keep it respectable

DC_Roscommon · 13-07-2009, 20:30

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Wexford away... I hope we keep it respectable

Louisc · 13-07-2009, 22:41

the problem with roscommon is the small population.
Just around 50'000 people.
And most of the young people move away to urban centres for jobs, and can't be bothered playing GAA anymore.
I know because I used to live there. I quit football when I moved to Dublin.

Roscommon winning an all Ireland would be like Stoke City winning the FA cup, or Italy winning a grand Slam in Rugby, or Padraig Harrington winning eight consecutive majors.
It's not going to happen.

Also a lot of young people in Roscommon have a distain for GAA and prefer to play other sports especially soccer.

wow sierra · 14-07-2009, 20:08

I thought the reason this thread was resurrected was because of Roscommons performance away to Wexford on Saturday. Apart from the draw the other positive from the game was how well Cathal Cregg played - its just great to have him back. Kilbride played very well too.

Re the Mayo game, Roscommon were not as bad as that game seemed to suggest. We are an average/below average team and for the Mayo game we were missing our best two players (Kilbride and Cregg) I'm not making excuses but a county like Roscommon need all their players to have any chance. Good luck to them in the replay on Sat anyway.

LeoB · 14-07-2009, 20:26

That was a good draw for Roscommon. Confidence is the big thing now and digging out another result.

The point I was making above is to do with the way players behave in club football and then tog out beside the opponents from a "rough" match the week before from the county. This causes serious problems in some counties.

Population is not really an excuse for some inept performances. If the players make the sacrafices the y will reap the rewards. Look at your minor team from a few years ago. Dublin is only 2 hours from Roscommon and Derek Thompson, Ken Duggan and lads I knew in Dublin used to go home for training. Are some lads hanging on to long on the county panel?

Plus 10 · 14-07-2009, 22:56

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Originally Posted by LeoB

That was a good draw for Roscommon. Confidence is the big thing now and digging out another result.

The point I was making above is to do with the way players behave in club football and then tog out beside the opponents from a "rough" match the week before from the county. This causes serious problems in some counties.

Population is not really an excuse for some inept performances. If the players make the sacrafices the y will reap the rewards. Look at your minor team from a few years ago. Dublin is only 2 hours from Roscommon and Derek Thompson, Ken Duggan and lads I knew in Dublin used to go home for training. Are some lads hanging on to long on the county panel?

I disagree - of course population is a significant factor in a county's abilty to produce top teams. In fact given their population base Roscommon have significantly overperformed over the years.

No coincidence that the other teams being mentioned include Leitrim, Longford, etc - hardly large population centres.

Also 20% of a panel travelling 2 hours back and forth 3/4 times a week is hardly helping. No one hanging on too long on the panel at present - in fact the opposite is the case with all the young lads on it

LeoB · 15-07-2009, 00:00

Fair points but.......

Why dont Dublin win the All-Ireland with the population they have?

Roscommon could compete 20 years ago when less people travelled home. A lot of teams who have players living and working in Dublin get them to train in Dublin. The Kerry side of the 70s and 80s.

I just firmly believe that if proper structures are put in place in any club or county there is no reason why that team can not be successful.

Take some northern counties, even if the are 75% nationalist and allowing for the people who dont play G.A.A they are far more succesful that a lot of side especially over the last 15 years because they were way ahead in coaching structures.

Anyway Wexford are my second favourite team, mother from New Ross But I would not mind Roscommon getting back to Croke Park

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Louisc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 52 Adverts \| Friends	the problem with roscommon is the small population. Just around 50'000 people. And most of the young people move away to urban centres for jobs, and can't be bothered playing GAA anymore. I know because I used to live there. I quit football when I moved to Dublin. Roscommon winning an all Ireland would be like Stoke City winning the FA cup, or Italy winning a grand Slam in Rugby, or Padraig Harrington winning eight consecutive majors. It's not going to happen. Also a lot of young people in Roscommon have a distain for GAA and prefer to play other sports especially soccer. Last edited by Louisc; 14-07-2009 at 10:09.

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30-06-2009, 02:15	#16
grenache Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Limerician in Cork Posts: 5,598 Adverts \| Friends	On last weekend's performances, antrim and sligo are certainly better teams than roscommon, and on current form tipp are also.

30-06-2009, 12:25	#17
DB10 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,685 Adverts \| Friends	Looking at that list Tipp,Antrim and Sligo are better I agree. But I would add Fermanagh who are a very poor side.

30-06-2009, 23:42	#18
TheWifeBeater Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 32 Adverts \| Friends	Ya Roscommon are fairly ****e at the moment. But they MAY gain a small amount of competetivness when there crop of minors mature although i think donie shine is VERY overrated.

02-07-2009, 10:27	#19
DC_Roscommon Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 68 Adverts \| Friends	We've got through to the last 4 Connaught minor finals.... Maybe

02-07-2009, 23:00	#20
dec25532 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Way Whest of the Shannon Posts: 778 Adverts \| Friends	The only good thing that Roscommon did last Sunday week was make Mayo believe (foolishly) that not alone will they win Connacht but an All-Ireland title is there for the taking. Someone earlier mentioned the need for Nigel Dineen to be brought back, more like Frankie Dolan to my mind or indeed Shane Curran. There were players with steel. Roscommon do not have any cut about them now and won't last p**sing time in the qualifiers.

03-07-2009, 00:01	#21
LeoB Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North County Dublin. Posts: 3,382 Adverts \| Friends	From what I hear maybe club football and the standards need to be looked at. CONDITIONED mentioned he was impressed with the club sides physicality and agression but didnt mention skill. Is there to much emphasis on the physical side of things in club football in Roscommon? From what I hear the answer is yes. It would be great to see them back in Croke Pk like the great sides of the late 70s and early 80s with Early, Murray Finneran Freyne and the likes.

05-07-2009, 21:37	#24
DC_Roscommon Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 68 Adverts \| Friends	Wexford away... I hope we keep it respectable

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wow sierra Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 854 Adverts \| Friends	I thought the reason this thread was resurrected was because of Roscommons performance away to Wexford on Saturday. Apart from the draw the other positive from the game was how well Cathal Cregg played - its just great to have him back. Kilbride played very well too. Re the Mayo game, Roscommon were not as bad as that game seemed to suggest. We are an average/below average team and for the Mayo game we were missing our best two players (Kilbride and Cregg) I'm not making excuses but a county like Roscommon need all their players to have any chance. Good luck to them in the replay on Sat anyway.

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LeoB Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North County Dublin. Posts: 3,382 Adverts \| Friends	That was a good draw for Roscommon. Confidence is the big thing now and digging out another result. The point I was making above is to do with the way players behave in club football and then tog out beside the opponents from a "rough" match the week before from the county. This causes serious problems in some counties. Population is not really an excuse for some inept performances. If the players make the sacrafices the y will reap the rewards. Look at your minor team from a few years ago. Dublin is only 2 hours from Roscommon and Derek Thompson, Ken Duggan and lads I knew in Dublin used to go home for training. Are some lads hanging on to long on the county panel?

15-07-2009, 00:00	#30
LeoB Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North County Dublin. Posts: 3,382 Adverts \| Friends	Fair points but....... Why dont Dublin win the All-Ireland with the population they have? Roscommon could compete 20 years ago when less people travelled home. A lot of teams who have players living and working in Dublin get them to train in Dublin. The Kerry side of the 70s and 80s. I just firmly believe that if proper structures are put in place in any club or county there is no reason why that team can not be successful. Take some northern counties, even if the are 75% nationalist and allowing for the people who dont play G.A.A they are far more succesful that a lot of side especially over the last 15 years because they were way ahead in coaching structures. Anyway Wexford are my second favourite team, mother from New Ross But I would not mind Roscommon getting back to Croke Park