[PADRAIC.M]

Originally Posted by unknown13

Do you honestly know what your talking about because I would prefer 5 elbows than 1 knee when grounded .

Also I would make leglocks an illegal technique because they are just too dangerous particulary if there cross the opponents body.

I would rather get knocked out from a knee(to stop stale mate positions from turtle position) than fight stopped due to a cut from an elbow, inverted leg locks are dangerous alright but straight you should be able to defend them/escape or tap.

[AlanSparrowhawk]

Originally Posted by unknown13

What are you on that was a F**king horrible rule and what made cage rage a complete joke.

10 point must system works IMO but fights are judged by boxing judges everywhere other than New Jersey, who have different judges for boxing and MMA.

I would bring in a 10 count for a knockdown because if its a standup fighter against a grappler he may not want to go to the ground if he has put the fighter down because the grappler could do something if he isn't that hurt.

Also a standing count would be nice to see aswell

you 'aving a laf?

[Fozzy]

Originally Posted by Martin Walker

I would hate to see elbow strikes banned.
Elbow strikes, if used properly, are not meant to smash your opponent. They are meant to cut.
Alot of MMA fighters use elbow strikes to hurt the opponent. Thats why we see lots of bumpy heads. If you throw an elbow properly you can cut your opponent and finish the fight before it starts.

Well...that's the reason people would rather see no elbow strikes. If you manage to cut your opponent bad enough for the fight to stop it doesn't necessarily mean that you're a better fighter than your opponent, as he's usually still well able to defend himself when the doctor stops it

[Martin Walker]

Yeah i know. And i fully understand why people dont like to see fighs ended with cuts. But i like to see someone with the skill to use there elbows this way. As you say Fozzy it dosnt mean that your the better fighter. But it can be used as a smart way to end a fight early if implemented right.

[Raze_them_all]

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Well...that's the reason people would rather see no elbow strikes. If you manage to cut your opponent bad enough for the fight to stop it doesn't necessarily mean that you're a better fighter than your opponent, as he's usually still well able to defend himself when the doctor stops it

Thats one way of looking at it, If a fighter throws a punch and sparks someone out everyone will be ok with it, if a fighter throws an elbow and cuts a guy and the fight stops it's the same result, he threw it to cause damage/stop the fight, it's the same thing but everybody always complains about cuts.

If it's an accidental clash of heads then yeah I hate cuts but if it was meant I dont see the problem

[Pride Fighter]

Swords on the side of a cage, also a trident and net

Seriously the 10 point must is gack. They should make it a 20-19 must where they dock more points off the more you dominate. Hardly any 10-8 rounds in the 10 point must and there should be way more.

[pablohoney87]

I think that in most cases the ten point scoring system works. The publicity on it lately seems to mainly because of the condit kapmann fight.
Personally I think the best rule introduction would be that Cecil Peoples sholdnt have anything to do with a fight decision. Hes not allowed ref in the ufc anymore because of constant mistakes but judges on nearly every card.
The majority of confusing split decisions are caused by him.

[RealJohn]

Originally Posted by unknown13

What are you on that was a F**king horrible rule and what made cage rage a complete joke.

10 point must system works IMO but fights are judged by boxing judges everywhere other than New Jersey, who have different judges for boxing and MMA.

I would bring in a 10 count for a knockdown because if its a standup fighter against a grappler he may not want to go to the ground if he has put the fighter down because the grappler could do something if he isn't that hurt.

Also a standing count would be nice to see aswell

I'd like to see a 10 count for a knockdown if the fighter who scores the knockdown steps back. If the other fighter doesn't get up before the count of 10, he's out. This means a stand-up fighter doesn't have to go to the ground to finish a fight and it also means a lot of fighters won't take those shots they take before the ref manages to step in.

A standing count would be awful though.

I wouldn't like to see anything taken out. Cutting your opponent is no fun for the viewing public but it's a legitimate way to win so elbows are fine by me. I'm also ok with heel hooks and neck cranks. Learn to tap or face the consequences. If you're a pro, it's up to you to make those decisions. If you don't like it, don't fight pro.

Not sure about knees to the head on the ground but I'd be inclined to allow them if we could be sure that the referee would protect the fighter on the receiving end. Less sure about soccer kicks and stomps because if you catch someone right with either of those, you can really mess them up.

As for the 10 point must system, it'd be fine if it was better applied. In theory, it allows for 10-8, 10-7, 10-6 rounds but in practice, we rarely see anything other than 10-9 in mma (and we rarely see 10-10 either - sometimes rounds are even). If judges were more inclined to give wider margins when they're deserved, it would receive much less criticism I think.

[PADRAIC.M]

Originally Posted by Raze_them_all

Thats one way of looking at it, If a fighter throws a punch and sparks someone out everyone will be ok with it, if a fighter throws an elbow and cuts a guy and the fight stops it's the same result, he threw it to cause damage/stop the fight, it's the same thing but everybody always complains about cuts.

If it's an accidental clash of heads then yeah I hate cuts but if it was meant I dont see the problem

Yeah I agree about the point that if the shot be it a punch or an elbow are thrown but thrown with conviction to end the fight or inflict damage, thats the main reason they are in mma still today as it does take skill to land them clean in someones guard,
Not mad about the point of the elbow strikes to the top of the head from bottom guard though...

[cowzerp]

Originally Posted by RealJohn

I'd like to see a 10 count for a knockdown if the fighter who scores the knockdown steps back. If the other fighter doesn't get up before the count of 10, he's out. This means a stand-up fighter doesn't have to go to the ground to finish a fight and it also means a lot of fighters won't take those shots they take before the ref manages to step in.

I dropped an opponent and knew he was hurt so stepped back to allow him up, he took about 20 sec's and i could not do anything because i chose to stand it up, he recovered loads in this time, a count would be fair in this circumstance..in hindsight i should off jumped on him but i knew i'd take him out standing if he stood up the way he should of had to.

[Fozzy]

If a fight can be finished then it should be finished I think. When a fighter goes down and is allowed the time to get back up and recover he'll usually end up taking more damage than he would have if the fight had ended with his opponent following him down and making the ref stop it

Think of the last Matt Brown fight in the UFC. I forget the opponent, but Brown had him knocked down and the ref stopped it. Then the ref changed his mind. Brown's opponent ended up taking a lot more damage on the feet than he would have if the ref had just stopped it after a few more punches on the ground. I know that it was the ref's fault in that case but the result was the very same as if Brown had been the one who had decided to let his opponent stand up

The reason that many studies have shown MMA to be safer than boxing is due to the nature of the blows to the head. The repeated strikes in boxing have been found to be more damaging than the harder but fewer strikes that occur in MMA. If standing counts were to be allowed then that would eliminate that part of MMA. Every time a fighter goes down and is dazed then he has suffered a concussion, and it's the blows that come after a concussion that do the worst damage. That's why I prefer to see a fight finished quick after a heavy head shot

[Valmont]

Before we go guns blazing into the elbow-cut debate just take note that it rarely happens in the first place. I find arguments either way tend to give the impression that it's a common occurrence.

[cowzerp]

The thing with elbows is they suit lay and pray fighters which should be discouraged, its boring and elbows give them a tool to use that system.

[calex71]

people get cut regardless if elbows are allowed or not, look at strikeforce last night , no elbows or forearms where permitted but there where still cuts.

I think with cutting and elbows its far more obvious when watching a fight that the elbow has caused the cuts as they seem to open you up fast and bleed quickly especially when the camera is close to the action and a fighter is mounted on the ground, it sometimes takes longer to notice cuts when fighters are standing.

It would be interesting to see some stats on the subject regarding damage and cuts caused by elbows vs fights being ended as a result etc. As it is i can see an argument both for and against their use.

In terms of the rules i like the knees being allowed in dream , it would never happen in the US i dont think, i also like their yellow card system for stalling and the loss of 10% of the purse if you get a yellow card.

[Chinpool]

Originally Posted by calex71

people get cut regardless if elbows are allowed or not, look at strikeforce last night , no elbows or forearms where permitted but there where still cuts.

There wasn't?
Since when do the CSAC not allow elbows and forearms