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Originally Posted by Brown Bomber
I'm happy to place my trust in you guys as mods and go along with whatever you think is best. I take it and accept it that posters intentions can be questioned now? This creates creases that need ironing out in that case then.
For example, if intentions/motivations can be questioned then surely those who are attacked are entitled to put forward their own counter-arguments to the accusations?
And then this somehow all has to be framed within being on-topic.
In the case of Jonny's "evil Jews" false and broad insinuations against users I simply asked him to back up his statement. According to Penn's mod note this isn't allowed. That leaves us in a very imbalanced situation, where you can make false accusations of bigotry - and Penn has accepted that they were false - the victim(s) are prevented from defending themselves, and no action is taken on the insinuations because the mod considers false allegations of anti-semitism as "relevant".
I think it's much better if anyone is making accusations against another poster then they need to have a strong and specific case referring specifically to something that has been said.
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Again Brown Bomber, if they make accusations against another poster, report them. When a mod takes action, they will judge whether the poster has a strong and specific case either on-thread or via PM. If a poster says something which is out of line, it's not the job of everyone else to call them out on it, it's the mods' job.
And I never said intentions/motivations can be questioned. I said people shouldn't question other posters intentions or motivations, but in some cases it might be acceptable. You might think this is too vague or that some people could take liberty of it, fair enough. I understand. But it cannot be a black and white rule because there are grey areas.
And as I said before, there are plenty of existing rules in the charter to cover this topic too:
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Don't make the natives restless. This is a catch-all rule for general trolling, bitching and similar. Posting in a manner purely to get a reaction from someone will not be tolerated. If a moderator feels that said poster is doing this intentionally or is the cause of the mess, then that poster can and will be infracted and/or banned.
Please don't use sweeping generalisations which indirectly attack or belittle other posters here. Posts which are insulting to those who believe conspiracies / the mainstream, for example, may be considered to be insulting to other posters, and as such will not be tolerated.
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Originally Posted by Brown Bomber
For example, if intentions/motivations can be questioned then surely those who are attacked are entitled to put forward their own counter-arguments to the accusations?
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They are entitled to report the post, refute the accusations in the report post message if they feel is necessary, and let the mods deal with it. Anything on the thread should be kept on-topic and civil. One poster ignoring this is not license for others to do it in retaliation.
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and no action is taken on the insinuations because the mod considers false allegations of anti-semitism as "relevant".
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Action was taken on the insinuations. The posts were deleted. And although I'm not sure what you mean by "relevant", I'll explain my reasoning again. The post was made in response to a poster who posted in the wrong thread. Jonny7's post was based upon someone trying to link the Jewish people into a conspiracy which had no connection to Jewish people. But that poster wasn't trying to link the Jewish people to the conspiracy, he was just spamming his post and links that he had already posted elsewhere. So given the argument which followed which was based on, what turned out to be nothing, I figured that the best course of action was to simply delete the posts and get things back on track.
Again, this is just like what I'm saying above, the rules are not clear-cut black and white. One mod decision on one post does not mean that the same mod decision should be taken on every similar post or that it's the absolute rule. Mods have to take a lot of factors into consideration. You're basing your argument on something which, if a similar thing happened in a few weeks with different people involved related to a different topic, could have turned out very differently.
At the end of the day, modding means sometimes having to make a judgement call, rather than "This is the rule and you have to fully abide by it at all times".
Now please, you've made your point clear and your points have been noted. I feel like I've explained it all as best I can at this point. This line of discussion (and it is the same line of discussion as you're basing it on the same issue which started this whole matter to begin with and which I have already explained numerous times) is closed.
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