[cherrypicker555]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

is anyone else like me!!

it just repulses me - tried it once never again!!

am i the only one?? Are there females out there who actually physically enjoy giving them??

Yer but they are good for the complexion, its high in protein.

Bad girls dont complain they just swallow


Infact I could not go out with a girl who refused to.

You just need to watch enough porn till you totally become desensatised to your inhibition and let the bad girl come out in you ha.

Problem is when it comes to sex Ireland is still v inhibited, yet to see an Irish girl in a porn film, there are no legal swingers clubs and escorts go to jail.

Still its getting better.

[Nevyn]

Actually how blowjobs is displayed in porn is off putting to a lot of women. The majority of mainstream porn is about 'standard' male fantasy and not about what women want at all esp when it looks like someone is having their face raped, had little or no control over the situation and is being made to gag.

All of the above is acceptable in terms of what consenting adults do but
they are far from standard and should not be done with out prior agreement
and express consent.

So I do understand why a lot of women consider it off putting in terms
of the mental and emotional never mind the physical.

I consider blow jobs to be what I see in porn and what I like to do to to a consenting male partner
I consider to be the art of fellatio and there is a huge difference between the two.

[cherrypicker555]

Originally Posted by Thaedydal

Actually how blowjobs is displayed in porn is off putting to a lot of women. The majority of mainstream porn is about 'standard' male fantasy and not about what women want at all esp when it looks like someone is having their face raped, had little or no control over the situation and is being made to gag.

All of the above is acceptable in terms of what consenting adults do but
they are far from standard and should not be done with out prior agreement
and express consent.

So I do understand why a lot of women consider it off putting in terms
of the mental and emotional never mind the physical.

I consider blow jobs to be what I see in porn and what I like to do to to a consenting male partner
I consider to be the art of fellatio and there is a huge difference between the two.

Swallowing is not standard in a relationship ? Thats debatable, but it is normal.

I could never go out with a women who did not like porn, it would be a bad sign.

Most women I have met who dont like porn are too inhibited.

[Nevyn]

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

Swallowing is not standard in a relationship ? Thats debatable, but it is normal.

What is normal in any sexual relationship is defined by the consenting adults in it.

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

I could never go out with a women who did not like porn, it would be a bad sign.
Most women I have met who dont like porn are too inhibited.

I have seen more then enough porn over the years to have discriminating tastes and to know better to make sweeping generalisations about what pron
is and it's content. I do dislike most of the mainstream porn and I am totally
entitled to do so as that is a personal preference and taste.

There is always some classification of porn that a person doesn't' like and
not liking it doesn't make them inhibited.

[Loxosceles]

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

Problem is when it comes to sex Ireland is still v inhibited, yet to see an Irish girl in a porn film, there are no legal swingers clubs and escorts go to jail.

Still its getting better.

There needs to be more porn and more swingers and NO escorts. As for escorts here, they are completely ignored compared to the sweeps done in the US, are you kidding?

I stopped using Adult Friendfinder when I moved here because in Ireland it's used as a hooker site, not a site for enlightened, open-minded sexually liberated people to meet and start relationships. Nope. Does not exist here. And I learned fast that I was getting treated like sh!t by Irish when I met up at the pub and got nothing but 'so when are we going back to your gaff' ad infinitum, delivered with zero smoothness or charisma, so I quit. No sexual liberation here, apparently, unless you try with a personal ad and end up bowled over by five hundred desperate guys who want a shag-n-dump. Ew, no thank you. Pass.

There are more equal listings in the US with a ratio of about 4 male to 1 female, almost all of which are put down as either 'single' or 'couple' but almost never a single partner listed as 'married'. The Irish AFF listings were instead the precise opposite: men outnumber women's listings 16 to 1, (133,000 to 7,000) more than half of them are single men listing themselves as 'married', and instead of being open-minded as more Americans are wont to do, they all want strictly 'no-strings'. In essence, it's a johns database for every hooker and cathouse in Ireland to spam men for business, and they do just that- even with weekly specials added in. And Revenue just ignooooores awaaaaay. That doesn't happen in our country, we're moral people!

If Ireland were less sexually inhibited like America, using an escort would be something that a man found shameful and embarrassing because he obviously wouldn't have the charisma to get any pu$$y without paying for it. It mystifies me how Irish men brag about using escorts to their mates, I've heard it!

It's freaky-deeky, especially since in my attempts to date here which ended at his refusal to wear a condom, a lot of Irish men are averse to condoms since they can irritate the foreskin. It takes just one cream pie with just one angry trafficked Lithuanian hooker who is being beaten up on one end and used on the other, and heypresto, HIV for everyone, unregulated and ignored and undetected for years until it's been spread to god knows how many clueless punters and their more clueless obedient Catholic wives who, in about 10 years, will be begging family GPs all over the country to put down the official diagnosis as leukaemia. Just wait till the actual scope of the effect of HIV on this country is really felt in a decade- it can take that long for it to even show up in someone's bloodstream.

There's a sticky here on the subject...from 2003. I'm not sure if people can comprehend the danger of HIV mixed in with an uninformed, inhibited population of people who can't communicate about sex.

I would venture to say that if anything, Ireland is WAY more dangerous and potentially disastrous re HIV given the trafficked women, the ignorance and attitudes which are still present.

So yes, if anything, Ireland needs MORE blowjobs, but more condoms as well just in case she doesn't like giving them.

[Dudess]

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

Bad girls dont complain they just swallow

Yes, the bitch doesn't complain - she just does as she's told, mouth shut, legs open. Seriously, would ya listen to yourself?

You just need to watch enough porn till you totally become desensatised to your inhibition and let the bad girl come out in you ha.

Sorry, if you think it's that simple you've a LOT to learn.

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

Swallowing is not standard in a relationship ? Thats debatable, but it is normal.

Where did she say that? She said:

Originally Posted by Thaedydal

Actually how blowjobs is displayed in porn is off putting to a lot of women. The majority of mainstream porn is about 'standard' male fantasy and not about what women want at all esp when it looks like someone is having their face raped, had little or no control over the situation and is being made to gag.

And I can't see what's "abnormal" about not wanting to swallow. Not everyone's crazy about the idea of swallowing another person's secretion. What does the idea do for you? (Please don't say you're not gay - that is irrelevant).

I could never go out with a women who did not like porn, it would be a bad sign.

Most women I have met who dont like porn are too inhibited.

Seriously, I can't see the logic in that. Women (and men too) tend not to like porn because it's extremely cold, un-erotic, mechanical, crass, aggressive, based on male fantasies rather than female. If a person dislikes all of that unpleasantness, they're unadventurous/a prude?

Originally Posted by Thaedydal

I consider blow jobs to be what I see in porn and what I like to do to to a consenting male partner I consider to be the art of fellatio and there is a huge difference between the two.

Which would you prefer? A joyless porno blow-job or experiencing the art of fellatio?

[Terodil]

Originally Posted by Dudess

Seriously, I can't see the logic in that. Women (and men too) tend not to like porn because it's extremely cold, un-erotic, mechanical, crass, aggressive, based on male fantasies rather than female.

Actually, I would like to contest that. From my experience (which is rather limited as I, a man, don't particularly like porn), there are myriads of different kinds of porn and I don't think they can be simply labelled as 'male fantasy' or 'female fantasy'.

Secondly, I resent the implied meaning that male fantasies are generally extremely cold, un-erotic, mechanical, crass and aggressive, while female fantasies are... what? loving, caring, consensual and fluffy pink?

Anyway, whether it's a woman giving head to a man or the other way round, if you don't really like it it's perfectly normal and you should not give in to pressure by your partner. If you want to do it but feel icky then maybe you should give it a couple of tries. And if you enjoy it, then all the better, have fun, but don't expect reciprocity as that's a recipe for disaster.

OP, I found it difficult to get used to even the idea of bjs at first. I just thought, 'he pees from there!' (I was 17, though I suppose that is no excuse). lol.

But we took it slowly. I wanted to try it to see what it was like, but I wasnt prepared for the whole she-bang, so we started with me licking and kissing. I know that helped me a huge amount to get used to it, even just the idea of it. Maybe you could take that approach?

Now I like giving him bjs! I found it took a while to get used to, and physically make sure you are in a comfortable position and just take it slowly. Dont let him dicatate it. If he gets impatient tell him you are just not ready for the whole thing yet, but it will be worth the wait! Personally, I dont find the act itself is a turn-on, its the effect. I love the feeling of giving him great pleasure!

BUT!!!! As other posters have said before, dont do anything you dont want to do, or feel that you have to do. There are loads of other ways to get him turned on! Maybe wait to do it with someone who will help you to see that it is enjoyable for both parties?

[Dudess]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

OP, I found it difficult to get used to even the idea of bjs at first. I just thought, 'he pees from there!' (I was 17, though I suppose that is no excuse).

Of course it's an excuse - makes perfect sense. I doubt most inexperienced teenage girls' dream fantasy is sucking what is, as you said, an excretory organ.

But we took it slowly. I wanted to try it to see what it was like, but I wasnt prepared for the whole she-bang, so we started with me licking and kissing. I know that helped me a huge amount to get used to it, even just the idea of it.

Same here - LOVE doing that for him still as a build-up. Drives him insane.

Personally, I dont find the act itself is a turn-on, its the effect. I love the feeling of giving him great pleasure!

That's probably the case across the board among those who enjoy it (mostly).

Originally Posted by Terodil

Actually, I would like to contest that. From my experience (which is rather limited as I, a man, don't particularly like porn), there are myriads of different kinds of porn and I don't think they can be simply labelled as 'male fantasy' or 'female fantasy'.

I'm taking for granted cherrypicker555 was referring to your run-of-the-mill hardcore porn. I know I should find the idea of e.g. a guy coming up a girl's ass and then another girl drinking it out oh so appealing, but eh... I don't. So I guess I'm on a par with a nun.

Secondly, I resent the implied meaning that male fantasies are generally extremely cold, un-erotic, mechanical, crass and aggressive

That's not what I meant - I'm not saying it's all males' fantasy but it is a male fantasy.

while female fantasies are... what? loving, caring, consensual and fluffy pink?

Eh, right... because of course there's only "extremely cold, un-erotic, mechanical, crass and aggressive" and "loving, caring, consensual and fluffy pink" and no in-between. And yes, generally males would be more likely to go for the former than females.

[cherrypicker555]

Originally Posted by Dudess

I'm taking for granted cherrypicker555 was referring to your run-of-the-mill hardcore porn. I know I should find the idea of e.g. a guy coming up a girl'ls ass and then another girl drinking it out oh so appealing, but eh... I don't. So I guess I'm on a par with a nun.

That's not what I meant - I'm not saying it's all males' fantasy but it is a male fantasy.

Eh, right... because of course there's only "extremely cold, un-erotic, mechanical, crass and aggressive" and "loving, caring, consensual and fluffy pink" and no in-between. And yes, generally males would be more likely to go for the former than females.

Well they say guys are more visually stimulated, girls more through touch.

In terms of porn/debachery its about loss of inhibition to the point to doing nearly anything. For me seeing a female in that altered state of conciousness/massive sexual high is a real turn on, totally letting go takes alot of trust.


Its a far more primitive type of sex, romance has its place as well in a relationship, but for me as a guy lust is where its at, especially if you keep taking one step further and further, its also quite dangerous. Look what happened to the Maquis de Sade, ha.

Yep. i love giving them. It turns me on loads and makes himself happy as larry. Everyone is different tho. Some of my friends hate it too. Its just a personal preference..

[Dudess]

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

Well they say guys are more visually stimulated, girls more through touch.

Yep. That's why I don't think a woman who's not a fan of porn is necessarily inhibited.

In terms of porn/debachery its about loss of inhibition to the point to doing nearly anything. For me seeing a female in that altered state of conciousness/massive sexual high is a real turn on, totally letting go takes alot of trust.


Its a far more primitive type of sex, romance has its place as well in a relationship, but for me as a guy lust is where its at, especially if you keep taking one step further and further, its also quite dangerous. Look what happened to the Maquis de Sade, ha.

Well that's cool if it's what you're into, and going by your thread here, you'll only engage in it with a woman whom you know is on the same page... but on this thread earlier, you were going on as if a woman who isn't into really OTT sh1t is a prude.

[cherrypicker555]

Originally Posted by Dudess

Yep. That's why I don't think a woman who's not a fan of porn is necessarily inhibited.

Well that's cool if it's what you're into, and going by your thread here, you'll only engage in it with a woman whom you know is on the same page... but on this thread earlier, you were going on as if a woman who isn't into really OTT sh1t is a prude.

It goes back to the old adage,advenerous sex is lots of fun with the right person, but with someone you totally love and are on the same wavelength with its totally electric.

Im a guy, I take it where its going

[Nevyn]

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

Well they say guys are more visually stimulated, girls more through touch.

In terms of porn/debachery its about loss of inhibition to the point to doing nearly anything. For me seeing a female in that altered state of conciousness/massive sexual high is a real turn on, totally letting go takes alot of trust.

Finding some one who understand the complexities of that, the risks and aftercare is just as hard.

Originally Posted by cherrypicker555

Its a far more primitive type of sex, romance has its place as well in a relationship, but for me as a guy lust is where its at, especially if you keep taking one step further and further, its also quite dangerous. Look what happened to the Maquis de Sade, ha.

Well isn't that part of the point of a long term relationship that delicious decent into debachery ?

de Sade's problems were his lack of discretion and the politics at the time.

But can we please get this back on topic and helpful to the op.

[zuroph]

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