[Enkidu]

Originally Posted by Enkidu

There are some, although they are very rare. In Finnish, Akkadian and Sumerian for example. Although even then it's a vowel followed directly by a "m". The only case I can think of where there isn't an immediate "m" sound is in Assyrian (a late northern dialect of Akkadian).

Discussed this with somebody and they told me that even in Assyrian, although the word for mother doesn't have an m sound, that's only because it's a shortened version of the old word for mother and they still used and understood the old word.

So it looks like it's M for Mammy all the time (unless you're an Assyrian in a rush).

[slowburner]

Originally Posted by Enkidu

Discussed this with somebody and they told me that even in Assyrian, although the word for mother doesn't have an m sound, that's only because it's a shortened version of the old word for mother and they still used and understood the old word.

So it looks like it's M for Mammy all the time (unless you're an Assyrian in a rush).

Probably something similar in Irish - " a Mhammy ".
Do you think there is an correlation between 'sea' and 'mother' across various languages?

[Enkidu]

Originally Posted by slowburner

Probably something similar in Irish - " a Mhammy ".
Do you think there is an correlation between 'sea' and 'mother' across various languages?

Meeting somebody about this tomorrow, so I can tell you then!

[Enkidu]

Really boring explanation unfortuantely.

The word for sea in Indo-European was: móri

The word for mother:méh₂tēr

So, they just happened to sound the same already in Proto-Indo-European, so they sound the same in the daughter languages.

If you want to know how to pronounce the word for mother:
mé = may
h₂ = A blowing on glass type sound. The kind of sound you make when you want to see your breath on a window
tēr = ter, but with a soft e, basically say ter with no effort, so that the e is kind of an "uh" sound. r is like a tapped r in
spanish.

[slowburner]

Originally Posted by Enkidu

Really boring explanation unfortuantely.

The word for sea in Indo-European was: móri

The word for mother:méh₂tēr

So, they just happened to sound the same already in Proto-Indo-European, so they sound the same in the daughter languages.

If you want to know how to pronounce the word for mother:
mé = may
h₂ = A blowing on glass type sound. The kind of sound you make when you want to see your breath on a window
tēr = ter, but with a soft e, basically say ter with no effort, so that the e is kind of an "uh" sound. r is like a tapped r in
spanish.

It might have been interesting - but now we know.
Could we not invent a myth to make it interesting?

[Enkidu]

Originally Posted by slowburner

It might have been interesting - but now we know.
Could we not invent a myth to make it interesting?

After sealing the ancient mother goddess of destruction in the sea with the sword of Tanalgor, the Proto-Indo-Europeans bound the two concepts together with similar sound to keep her prison strongly embued with magic energies.

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The origin of Atlantis, without doubt

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Simple question if a bit unrelated to this thread - does the Irish Cashel originate in the Latin Castellum ?

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Originally Posted by slowburner

Back to annoy you again
Simple question if a bit unrelated to this thread - does the Irish Cashel originate in the Latin Castellum ?

I'm wondering if you are Irish?

The Gaelic word for Castle is "Caisleán" (cash-lawn), Cashel is an anglicised version of that (as the names of almost every village, town and city in Ireland are anglicised versions of their Gaelic names).

A lot of words entered Gaelic as borrowings from Latin, I don't see why this wouldn't be one of them.

[slowburner]

Originally Posted by Des

I'm wondering if you are Irish?

The Gaelic word for Castle is "Caisleán" (cash-lawn), Cashel is an anglicised version of that (as the names of almost every village, town and city in Ireland are anglicised versions of their Gaelic names).

A lot of words entered Gaelic as borrowings from Latin, I don't see why this wouldn't be one of them.

Tá mé.
Alright then - Caiseal

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Originally Posted by slowburner

Alright then - Caiseal

Caiseal is just another, probably older, way of saying Caislean.

Where are you from? What's the Irish name of the place? Does it make sense today?

[Enkidu]

Actually Cashel does come from the Latin Castellum. The Eóganachta who built Cashel were a Gaulish tribe who originally didn't speak Irish. They named Cashel after the Roman Castellum which the would have seen in France.

[slowburner]

Originally Posted by Des

Caiseal is just another, probably older, way of saying Caislean.

Where are you from? What's the Irish name of the place? Does it make sense today?

Kilcashel, and yep it makes sense, there's a cashel.

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Originally Posted by slowburner

Kilcashel, and yep it makes sense, there's a cashel.

Is/was there a wood/forest?

Choill Caiseal - the Castle near the forest/Wood - or else the Forest of the Castle.

Probably the hunting ground of the local lord back in the day

OR

A church, also near a castle

Cill Casieal.


Choill = forest
Cill = church