[vibe666]

Originally Posted by CaptSolo

Will internet users under this agreement have any process for defending themselves against erroneous allegations (apart from suing their ISP)?

there's the rub. with eircom appointing themselves the firesharing equiv. of judge dredd, who polices the download police?

Originally Posted by CaptSolo

If it is record companies who do the informing and Eircom just counts the number of notices from record companies, how can you ensure against record companies abusing this "ability"? Or that they don't make errors in their data collection?

sacly.

i still think it's just another eircom circlejerk to buy time before they actually have to do anything about it.

what's to stop eircom from telling the record companies that it was such an effective strategy that not a single customer has gotten more than two strikes?

it ought to buy them plenty of time to twiddle their thumbs if they have to (officially) double strike every customer.

[Tester46]

Originally Posted by vibe666

the data protection act protects the privacy of your name/IP address from 3rd party's so eircom has basically just made it look like they are complying with what was agreed, but in reality they just totally dodged a bullet.

The reality is that by the time the ISPs actually do anything about this, the technology will have moved on. Plus, file sharing can also be legal (like cassetes and blank CDRs). Plus lots of people hear music via file sharing and then go out and buy CDs and go to concerts where they would not otherwise have done so. For these and lots of other reasons it's hard to see the ISPs/record companies/international military-industrial complex/"them"/whoever actually stamping out sharing. They simply need to come up with a good business model. I still pay for music I like online even though I could probably download it for nothing - but it is usually from independent artists selling directly. I pay because (a) I want to support them (cuz I like them) and (b) cuz they are good value e.g €5 or something.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know of anyone who has actually been cut of (or even warned) by eircom?

[Red Sleeping Beauty]

Originally Posted by Tester46

Plus lots of people hear music via file sharing and then go out and buy CDs

Oddly enough this is correct

[watty]

Actually it's an urban myth. A minority of the population does file sharing.

[Cabaal]

Originally Posted by Tester46

The reality is that by the time the ISPs actually do anything about this, the technology will have moved on. Plus, file sharing can also be legal (like cassetes and blank CDRs).

Actually in Ireland its technically illegal to record off the radio and it is illegal to copy a tape or CD...in the US you can under fair use but Ireland does not have this in its copyright laws.

Yes file sharing can be legal if the owner consents to allow the file to be copied and shared out (same goes for CD's) and if you using it for such legal uses then any recent changes by the recording industry and ISP's won't affect you.

Of course if you worrying and complaining about these changes then its very clear you've likely your downloading copyright material.

I laugh at people who complain about the business model, so say you create works of art and they sell for 100e a pop....you make your living from them and people really like them...but somebody starts doing perfect copys of them and gives them away for free.....how do you feel now? Do you think its ok, do you think its great that for people its all about the art now? No of course you bloody don't!

Just because something is popular and you like it and you'd like it extremely cheap or free doesn't mean its ok to "steal it".

[watty]

However nowhere is it legal to give others copies of the CDs and tapes you made of commercial content

[acalmenvoy]

I would pay 2euro for a complete album download at 320kbps or a good quality movie download with no DRM, and I havent paid for music or movies in years, at those prices I think I would replace all my existing music with the good quality legal stuff.

I think a lot us would and the music industry would make a lot of money, but will they bite the bullet, who knows, but if they did, I feel attitudes could change over a generation, and while piracy will always there, maybe it wont be as popular as it is now.

[Cabaal]

Originally Posted by acalmenvoy

I would pay 2euro for a complete album download at 320kbps or a good quality movie download with no DRM, and I havent paid for music or movies in years, at those prices I think I would replace all my existing music with the good quality legal stuff.

I think a lot us would and the music industry would make a lot of money, but will they bite the bullet, who knows, but if they did, I feel attitudes could change over a generation, and while piracy will always there, maybe it wont be as popular as it is now.

I'd like to buy a brand new Hyandai i30 for 5000e, I feel they are expensive and that the car industry would sort its lack of sales by dropping prices

We'd all like stuff cheaper

[Red Sleeping Beauty]

Originally Posted by watty

Actually it's an urban myth. A minority of the population does file sharing.

So it's a small minority that are bringing down the film and music industry ? There's people that download (via torrents) albums that they wouldn't have bought anyway. Using torrents isn't idiot proof, you have to have some kind of familiarisation with the software and using broadband, especially if you've to forward ports.
Look at the amount of money that Dark Knight raked in at the pictures! Same with Mamma Mia on DVD.

I used to work in a cinema and I'd hear kids say how they'd already seen such and such a film on pirate while they were buying tickets for said film.

[acalmenvoy]

Originally Posted by Cabaal

I'd like to buy a brand new Hyandai i30 for 5000e, I feel they are expensive and that the car industry would sort its lack of sales by dropping prices

We'd all like stuff cheaper

I'm supprised at that comment by a moderator and a veteren of over 10000 posts, when was the last time you downloaded a Ford Focus from P****e B*y...

>Gives up<....

[NullZer0]

Originally Posted by Cabaal

I'd like to buy a brand new Hyandai i30 for 5000e

Your probably the only one

[Cabaal]

Originally Posted by acalmenvoy

I'm supprised at that comment by a moderator and a veteren of over 10000 posts, when was the last time you downloaded a Ford Focus from P****e B*y...

>Gives up<....

Sorry I offended you ,
How about this,

I'd like to buy Adobe Creative Suite 4 Master Sollection for 50e (normal retail about $2,500), I feel it is expensive and that the software industry would sort its lack of sales by dropping prices

We'd all like stuff cheaper

Originally Posted by iRock

Your probably the only one

I've never cared about looks of cars or 0-60 in x seconds, just road tax costs, running costs and fuel economy

[Tigger]

quayjen??

[jimmycrackcorm]

Originally Posted by acalmenvoy

I'm supprised at that comment by a moderator and a veteren of over 10000 posts, when was the last time you downloaded a Ford Focus from P****e B*y...

>Gives up<....

I understand. The only thing that I'm able to download from TPB is torrent files. My mp3 player won't play those.

[crawler]

From El Reg ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02...ebsite_hacked/ ) Sunde makes a good point

Pirate Bay co-founder Peter Sunde has pleaded with fans to stop attacking official entertainment industry websites after the Swedish wing of the The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry’s (IFPI) site was hacked yesterday.

Sunde, who is among four men facing prosecutors representing the likes of Sony, MGM and Universal in the already infamous Pirate Bay trial, uncharacteristically put the boot in yesterday against the hackers.