[RugbyFanatic]

Originally Posted by ginoginelli

"Surely on the basis of his last performance, Mir would have the advantage standing."

Not necessarily, Brock knocked down Mir in their first fight, as well as flooring Herring and Couture in their bouts. He has a huge reach advantage over Mir, as well as that 1 punch knockout power. Mir might be more technically sound at this point in his career, but Brock is showing huge improvements fight to fight.

I don’t think Mir will necessarily have the advantage on the ground either. Brock will have had over a year to work on his submission defense by the time they meet. Also with the evolution off mma, more and more wrestlers in the higher weight classes are simply negating submissions with their top control, strength and gnp. Ufc 92 didn’t have one submission on the card and Rashad Evans, the newly crowned LHW Champ has never even attempted a submission in his ufc career.

Its still a difficult prospect to pick a winner between these two though.. You have to wonder how much of Mir’s great looking performance the other night was down to a punch-drunk and past his prime Nog and also whether Brock has the sub defense, experience, heart and chin to stay champion.

We'll find out soon enough I suppose..

Another thing is Lesnar looked really ready to gas in the Couture fight I remember he was holding Couture against the cage and he looked like he was about to pass out I remember the commentaters kept mentioning how hard it is for Lesnar to be carrying such weight around the ring meanwhile Mir who was renowned for gassing seemed to not even break a sweat the entire fight against Nog

[Karmafaerie]

Watch the Mir vs Nog fight again lads.
While Mir's striking was very crisp, his chin was open the whole time.
If Nog had any power he could have ended that fight real early.
Mir knew that Nog wasn't gonna stop him.
As I pointed out before the fight, Nog has three stopages in his whole career.
Lesnar however, has anvils in his fists.
A glancing blow to Randys ear polaxed him.
If Mir boxes the same way against Lesnar, Mir will be going to sleep in the first round.
What Mir has to do is spend the next 4-5 months working leg kicks, and his jab.
To be honest, the only chance I give him, is to take Brocks legs away.
Lesnar will keep it standing untill he smashes Mirs face in, and then Gn'P his way to an undisputed title.

[calex71]

Originally Posted by Pride Fighter

There is more to MMA than the UFC.

Amen to that !!!!!!!

Just look at the UFC sister company WEC how many cracking fights did they have this year, the Torres V Maeda match immediately springs to mind.

The Dream promotion (while its not pride) has had some dingers this year too.

Roll on that stacked card at dynamite later this week !!!!!!!!!!!!!

and further down the road in january to Fedor V Arlowski

[yeah-buddy]

Originally Posted by Killme00

The question for me is, who is next for Rashad Evans? Surely Chuck would love another pop (and that would fill seats) or even Rampage (would also fill seats). However because its all about PPV, could be see Anderson Silva vs Rashad Evans?

Obviously Rampage, stupid question

[mirwillbeback]

Originally Posted by yeah-buddy

Obviously Rampage, stupid question

how is it a stupid question?

there's rampage, machida, thiago silva, forrest, shogun, henderson or franklin.

all would give rashad a good fight.

[ginoginelli]

Originally Posted by yeah-buddy

Obviously Rampage, stupid question

Rampage has stated he would preferably fight forrest next. Also the Ufc might be hesitant to promote a "black on black" title fight at this stage. If Machida puts on a good showing against Silva they could look upon it as a good time to start promoting the brazilian.

[Dave Joyce]

Biggest surprise for me was Nog's loss BUT I only saw here that he weighed in heaviest ever AND he looked out of shape and didn't look sharp whatsoever! I think in hindsight Mir got a raw deal on TUF and sounded a much better person in his post fight interview. As regards fighting Lesnar, like others here, I think he has improved a helluva lot (his knees have really come on) and will beat the crap out of Mir, cause Mir won't be able to take him down and that is the ONLY place where he has a chance of beating Brock. In their first fight, I would actually point the finger of blame at Erik Paulson for the loss. Reason been, I remember him slapping Brock in the face and psyching him up when he was already jacked up enough and OVER-excited in his first UFC fight....that was just dumb!!

I wasn't at all surprised at Rashad beating Forrest. As much as I really like Forrest, he has way too much heart OVER brain e.g. was too willing to stand and trade with Rashad whenever he got a good clip. Against a guy with good power in his hands, that ain't smart!

How did Dean Lister do and what was the fight like??

Thought Matt Hamill looked absolute shee-ite and has gone backwards IMHO.

[Pride Fighter]

Dave, I heard Okami tooled Lister. I did not see it as it was on the undercard but apparently once or twice in rd 3 Lister went onto the ground in an attempt to lure Okami into a Jiu-Jitsu game and got booed for it. It could be Lister's last fight in the UFC.

[vasch_ro]

Lister looked very poor, he never really got started , his stand up looked particularly poor

[Nothingcompares]

Originally Posted by ginoginelli

Also the Ufc might be hesitant to promote a "black on black" title fight at this stage.

why would you say that?

[ginoginelli]

Originally Posted by Nothingcompares

why would you say that?

PPV sales. Its new territory for the ufc and they might want to expand their current demographic of mostly young white males before they make this fight happen.

[steof1984]

Originally Posted by Dave Joyce

I wasn't at all surprised at Rashad beating Forrest. As much as I really like Forrest, he has way too much heart OVER brain e.g. was too willing to stand and trade with Rashad whenever he got a good clip. Against a guy with good power in his hands, that ain't smart!

Thought Matt Hamill looked absolute shee-ite and has gone backwards IMHO.

I thought that on the feet that forrest was winning the fight it ws only when he went on his back and was trying for a submission that rashad finally had the chance to use his strength via gn'p

totally agree with the hamill fight i mean watch that fight and then watch him against bisping it looks like 2 total different fighters

[Dave Joyce]

Cheers guys, thanks for that. I always thought Lister was a decent fighter while not having great stand up granted. Agree with that could have been his last fight for the UFC.

I thought that on the feet that forrest was winning the fight it ws only when he went on his back and was trying for a submission that rashad finally had the chance to use his strength via gn'p

I agree, Forrest was winning the stand up BUT when he got tagged by Rashad, he'ed start trading punches all out and I think Rashad was the stronger puncher. Couldn't understand why Forrest didn't just keep banging in that leg kick which was bothering Rashad.

[Judomad]

Originally Posted by mirwillbeback

how is it a stupid question?

there's rampage, machida, thiago silva, forrest, shogun, henderson or franklin.

all would give rashad a good fight.

even though in tuf Rashad was a heavyweight hes kinda small at LHW now so i reckon Evans vs Spider could happen too..
like if you watch his fight with Tito he was a midget in comparrison to Tito's frame.

[Kettle316]

Originally Posted by yeah-buddy

Obviously Rampage, stupid question

Think the ufc has already said that the winner of silva vs machida will get 1st shot at rashad!!