Are retail outlets forced to leave their lights on at night?

[j_cal]

I read here that shops on London’s Carnaby street are forced to keep their lights on overnight as part of their tenancy agreement…

Does anyone know if something similar goes on in Dublin?

[robtri]

Originally Posted by j_cal

I read here that shops on London’s Carnaby street are forced to keep their lights on overnight as part of their tenancy agreement…

Does anyone know if something similar goes on in Dublin?

I am not aware of anybody being forced to keep their lights on in Dublin, but I know a lot of retailers keep some lights on for security issues, if someone, i.e burgaler is in the shop with some lights on they can be seen from the outside...

[wiredup]

Originally Posted by robtri

I am not aware of anybody being forced to keep their lights on in Dublin, but I know a lot of retailers keep some lights on for security issues, if someone, i.e burgaler is in the shop with some lights on they can be seen from the outside...

Yeah I guess the buglers haven't heard of the light switch.
Seriously though, I've often thought this was an outrage. Time for a ban on shop lighting afterhours. A simple law with massive positive effect though I'm sure the ESB would do all they can to block such a law.

[Run_to_da_hills]

Its cheap advertisement for shops that are not shuttered. People walking by can look in at stuff on offer, example of this would be the electronics shops on Tottinham Court road and Oxford St. This wouldn't cost too much if low cost florescent bulbs were used and would be a lot cheaper than wasting paper on flyer's and newspaper advertisements.

[BOFH_139]

The cost of leaving then on is cheaper then the wear and tear from them been turned on and off all the time.

[wiredup]

Originally Posted by BOFH_139

The cost of leaving then on is cheaper then the wear and tear from them been turned on and off all the time.

I disagree, the cost of hundreds of thousands of retail premises being lighted at night when 99% are asleep is outrageous. How many power stations does it take just for that?
Perhaps a 10pm to 6am ban would be a good place to start.
As for cheap advertising, if it is law we then have a level playing field.

[Cookie_Monster]

Originally Posted by BOFH_139

The cost of leaving then on is cheaper then the wear and tear from them been turned on and off all the time.

Rubbish.

I hate this too its such a waste. its the same with all the PCs and printers etc in offices

[Del2005]

Originally Posted by wiredup

I disagree, the cost of hundreds of thousands of retail premises being lighted at night when 99% are asleep is outrageous. How many power stations does it take just for that?
Perhaps a 10pm to 6am ban would be a good place to start.
As for cheap advertising, if it is law we then have a level playing field.

Would it not be better for the power stations, not very green I know. But since most of our power comes from coal and oil fired stations they can't be shut down and started very easy or quick. If they have to be running at night why not use the electricty for something, why else would electricty be half price at night since it cost the same to make it?

[unreggd]

Its stupid

i always walk pass mini-offices that have the lights on all night, including the PCs AND the CRT monitors, with NO Screensaver

wtf????

[Del2005]

Originally Posted by unreggd

Its stupid

i always walk pass mini-offices that have the lights on all night, including the PCs AND the CRT monitors, with NO Screensaver

wtf????

All the screen saver does is stop the screen getting an image burnt onto it. They need to be switched off or go into sleep mode(which isn't much better then being on needlessly)

[Cookie_Monster]

Originally Posted by Del2005

Would it not be better for the power stations, not very green I know. But since most of our power comes from coal and oil fired stations they can't be shut down and started very easy or quick. If they have to be running at night why not use the electricty for something, why else would electricty be half price at night since it cost the same to make it?

You wouldn't need to shut down power stations, simply turn the wick down slightly as it were. I.e. run at 80% capacity instead of 90% or whatever
I'm sure the additional demand for electricity from streetlights more than makes up for the drop off in other areas.

[10-10-20]

Power stations aren't responsive like that! My understanding is that once a fossel-fuel power station builds up a head of steam (per say) it takes almost two weeks to come down. Hence, the night-time overspill electricity needs to be used up instead of being dumped (however they do that) and that's where the likes of night-rates and Turlough Hill
http://www.esb.ie/main/about_esb/history_turlough.jsp.

So, you just can't turn down a solid-fuel station.