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*Kintarō Hattori* · 11-09-2008, 23:16

I was working in a shop in the Blanchardstown Shopping Centre today when a young lad, 15-16 came in and handed me a piece of paper and asked me to sign it. I had a quick scan over it and it was a social welfare form stating that he had applied for a job.

I thought about it for a moment or two and told him that I wouldn't sign it as he hadn't applied for a job. He was genuinely taken back and in a surprised manner asked me would I not sign it. I told him I would when he came back to me with a CV. Again he asked me would I sign it and I told him I would when he came back to me with a CV. He muttered something under his breath and walked away. Needless to say I didn't see him again and I don't think I will.
What really bothered me though was that he had one signature on the form already from another shop in the centre.

So guys, was I too hash on him, should I just have signed it? He's possibly just left school after completing the Junior Cert (can you still leave that young?). Should I have given him a break?

I think I was right in my actions. He hadn't applied for a job and isn't the Social Welfare there to help you up on your feet after you've already been working?

TPD · 11-09-2008, 23:18

Right you are. Too many people abusing the dole.

dsmythy · 11-09-2008, 23:20

He's too young to be on welfare himself surely? Unless he's older than he looks? Or his ma sent him in for her? Either way don't sign it for him. He obviously has no intention of getting work. He could of given in a CV and been rejected if he wanted a signature.

karlr42 · 11-09-2008, 23:20

You did the right thing. Some type of job can be got by just about anyone. He was just being lazy, it would not have been a huge effort more to actually apply, fail, then ask you to sign

mikemac · 11-09-2008, 23:21

You don't get Jobseekers allowance until you are 18.
What social welfare could he possibly be getting. Sure he's still dependant on his parents

brianthebard · 11-09-2008, 23:24

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Originally Posted by karlr42

You did the right thing. Some type of job can be got by just about anyone. He was just being lazy, it would not have been a huge effort more to actually apply, fail, then ask you to sign

You're right, the 200,000+ people signing on atm are all free loaders.

Guy:Incognito · 11-09-2008, 23:26

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Originally Posted by brianthebard

You're right, the 200,000+ people signing on atm are all free loaders.

I worked in a shop in a shopping centre for 3 years between 2003 and 2006. There was pretty much full employments. These guys were regularly in asking for the things to be signed. They have no intention of looking for a job and people should not be signing the forms for them.

karlr42 · 11-09-2008, 23:28

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Originally Posted by brianthebard

You're right, the 200,000+ people signing on atm are all free loaders.

Good point, I apologise, what I meant was eventually most people should be able to get a job- the dole is supposed to be a temporary arrangement while you're actively searching for employment, I thought, after being laid off or whatever. I'm not saying "good" employment, but something, minimum wage perhaps

Iago · 11-09-2008, 23:29

there's no shortage of work available in this country. There's a chronic shortage of people who are willing to do whatever job they have to until they get what they're looking for though.

*Kintarō Hattori* · 12-09-2008, 10:31

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Originally Posted by dsmythy

He's too young to be on welfare himself surely? Unless he's older than he looks? Or his ma sent him in for her? Either way don't sign it for him. He obviously has no intention of getting work. He could of given in a CV and been rejected if he wanted a signature.

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Originally Posted by micmclo

You don't get Jobseekers allowance until you are 18.
What social welfare could he possibly be getting. Sure he's still dependant on his parents

Well he was definetly a teenager and it was a Social Welfare form. It had various options one of which was something about the Junior Cert which he had ticked.

kowloon · 12-09-2008, 10:45

If he had asked you for a job first would you have signed it or would he have to apply properly for a vacant position?

Run_to_da_hills · 12-09-2008, 10:48

A very easy way around this for those on the dole and they don't even need to leave the comfort of their own bed room. Simply go on line to the following http://www.jobs.ie/ Apply to any of the jobs on this website. You will get an automated response by e_mail almost immediatly. You then print out these and bring to the dole office. They will accept these as a valid attempt in the search for work.

Relevant · 12-09-2008, 10:59

I used get that all the time in my old job. We'd regularily have people come up and ask "any chance of a job" I'd say no and they'd whip out this sheet and ask me to sign and stamp it. I used tell them to feck off which regularily resulted in arguments.

**humanji** · 12-09-2008, 11:00

They were probably getting it signed for a parent or something. You did the right thing and should of also given him the thrashing of a lifetime!!! Bloody riff-raff, taking our hard earned eurons to spend on the latest games for their Atari Jaguars, or buying their Hi-Tech runners to show off to the other kids down at the discotheque, or stuffing themselves at the ice-cream parlour etc.

In fact, a thrashing is too good for them. You should shoot them! Shoot them twice. And then burn their still twitching corpses. It's how my parents kept me in line and, by God, it did the trick!

**BaconZombie** · 12-09-2008, 11:02

A better site to use is http://www.irishexecutivejobs.ie/ because they same, god help them get a acceptance letter from a job posted on Jobs.ie but there is no way in hell that they'll get one for 100K€+ job.

But if anybody has a similar experience I'd say write on the sheet stating that they did not try and apply for the job. They will probably not even read it after you hand it back.

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Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

A very easy way around this matter for those on the dole and you don't even need to leave the comfort of your bed room. Simply go on line to the following http://www.jobs.ie/ Apply to any of the jobs on this website. You will get an automated response by e_mail almost immediatly. You then print out these and bring to the dole office. They will accept these as a valid attempt in the search for work.

11-09-2008, 23:16	#1
Kintarō Hattori All Round Nice Guy Join Date: May 2001 Location: Poland/Dublin these days! Been there so many times Posts: 10,696 Adverts \| Friends	Can You Sign This For Me Please? I was working in a shop in the Blanchardstown Shopping Centre today when a young lad, 15-16 came in and handed me a piece of paper and asked me to sign it. I had a quick scan over it and it was a social welfare form stating that he had applied for a job. I thought about it for a moment or two and told him that I wouldn't sign it as he hadn't applied for a job. He was genuinely taken back and in a surprised manner asked me would I not sign it. I told him I would when he came back to me with a CV. Again he asked me would I sign it and I told him I would when he came back to me with a CV. He muttered something under his breath and walked away. Needless to say I didn't see him again and I don't think I will. What really bothered me though was that he had one signature on the form already from another shop in the centre. So guys, was I too hash on him, should I just have signed it? He's possibly just left school after completing the Junior Cert (can you still leave that young?). Should I have given him a break? I think I was right in my actions. He hadn't applied for a job and isn't the Social Welfare there to help you up on your feet after you've already been working?

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Run_to_da_hills Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,805 Adverts \| Friends	A very easy way around this for those on the dole and they don't even need to leave the comfort of their own bed room. Simply go on line to the following http://www.jobs.ie/ Apply to any of the jobs on this website. You will get an automated response by e_mail almost immediatly. You then print out these and bring to the dole office. They will accept these as a valid attempt in the search for work. Last edited by Run_to_da_hills; 12-09-2008 at 11:04.

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11-09-2008, 23:18	#2
TPD Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Donegal Posts: 7,296 Adverts \| Friends	Right you are. Too many people abusing the dole.

11-09-2008, 23:20	#3
dsmythy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: DUB Posts: 5,959 Adverts \| Friends	He's too young to be on welfare himself surely? Unless he's older than he looks? Or his ma sent him in for her? Either way don't sign it for him. He obviously has no intention of getting work. He could of given in a CV and been rejected if he wanted a signature.

11-09-2008, 23:20	#4
karlr42 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Terenure Posts: 553 Adverts \| Friends	You did the right thing. Some type of job can be got by just about anyone. He was just being lazy, it would not have been a huge effort more to actually apply, fail, then ask you to sign

11-09-2008, 23:21	#5
mikemac Closed Account Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 19,585 Adverts \| Friends	You don't get Jobseekers allowance until you are 18. What social welfare could he possibly be getting. Sure he's still dependant on his parents

11-09-2008, 23:29	#9
Iago Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,388 Adverts \| Friends	there's no shortage of work available in this country. There's a chronic shortage of people who are willing to do whatever job they have to until they get what they're looking for though.

12-09-2008, 10:45	#11
kowloon Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,372 Adverts \| Friends	If he had asked you for a job first would you have signed it or would he have to apply properly for a vacant position?

12-09-2008, 10:59	#13
Relevant Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 455 Adverts \| Friends	I used get that all the time in my old job. We'd regularily have people come up and ask "any chance of a job" I'd say no and they'd whip out this sheet and ask me to sign and stamp it. I used tell them to feck off which regularily resulted in arguments.

12-09-2008, 11:00	#14
humanji Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: with ceiling cat Posts: 13,693 Adverts \| Friends Mod: After Hours	They were probably getting it signed for a parent or something. You did the right thing and should of also given him the thrashing of a lifetime!!! Bloody riff-raff, taking our hard earned eurons to spend on the latest games for their Atari Jaguars, or buying their Hi-Tech runners to show off to the other kids down at the discotheque, or stuffing themselves at the ice-cream parlour etc. In fact, a thrashing is too good for them. You should shoot them! Shoot them twice. And then burn their still twitching corpses. It's how my parents kept me in line and, by God, it did the trick!