[Sulukie]

Hi Quality

I don't have a problem with the odd drink during pregnancy. That said I totally lost my taste for alcohol and coffee when I was pregnant. I had one glass of wine on my birthday and have only had a couple of glasses since ds was born. The thought of waking at six thirty puts me off.

What really surprised me when I was pregnant and going to antenatal classes and hospital visits was the number of pregnant women who still smoke. Now I have never smoked so I probably don't understand how hard it is to give up but I found it very strange.

Sulukie

[LolaDub]

I didn't drink during my pregnancy at all. I was a social drinker before i was pregnant and i didn't find it difficult in the slightest to give up but i wanted to eliminate as many risks as possible from my lifestyle. I think the idea is with drinking is that its advised but not insisted to give it up but some people don't give up drinking or smoking, to be honest i find it a shocking sight to see a noticably pregnant woman doing either. A woman who has just left our office to have a baby smoked the whole way through and many people (admittedly men mostly) were disgusted with it. It can be very hard for a woman to give something up during pregnancy as pregnancy is such foreign territory anyway. I would expect any man who insisted his pregnant partner should give up drinking/smoking to do the same himself.

At the end of the day how i felt was if i did drink during pregnancy and if something happened to the baby (whether it was to do with drink or not) the guilt would be far worse than giving up the drink, safe not sorry attitude!

Good luck with your pregnancy!!

[barbiegirl]

As my sister-in-law said on the 1st one she didn't, on the 2nd she had maybe 2 spritzers throughout the nine months, on the 3rd she had maybe one spritzer every 2-3 weeks, a special dinner or celebration etc. As a doctor said to a friend of mine, he had a patient with a huge drug habit, with 6 kids, so he saw an occasional spritzer as absolutely no problem.
Totally up to mum, and if dad really wants to express an opinion, so long as we are only talking very moderate, then maybe he shoud also give up for the nine months Remember mum isn't just an oven for the babe but also still a person in her own right :-)

[Bottle_of_Smoke]

So what's the point of one beer/spritzer? Everyone knows people only drink for effect & if you can feel the effect your baby's developing body surely can. Don't know how people are willing to drink or smoke with a their own developing child depending on their body for nutrition.

Originally Posted by quality

Could you find a more scaremongering site....

I presume you dont drink at all... Looking at the side effects that this site is showing... You would be mad too.

Whatever about the site, the paper's a scientifically controlled study. You really sound like you're trying to justify drinking whilst pregnant to yourself.

Given the paper says light drinking affects the memory/brain the second trimester might be the most dangerous time to be drinking.

I wonder what effect being drunk during conception has on the child

[ntlbell]

Originally Posted by barbiegirl

As a doctor said to a friend of mine, he had a patient with a huge drug habit, with 6 kids, so he saw an occasional spritzer as absolutely no problem.
Remember mum isn't just an oven for the babe but also still a person in her own right :-)

so because the doctor dealt with someone who took heroin while pregnant they felt drink was ok? Right....

The mother is a person in her own right but when she takes a drink the child is taken the drink also.

If she smokes she forces the unborn child to smoke, the child doesn't have a choice the mother does.

[ntlbell]

Originally Posted by Bottle_of_Smoke

Whatever about the site, the paper's a scientifically controlled study.

This is a very important point, the paper wasn't written by a few anal mothers.

Ah they're only PHD's what would they know

[HoneyButterfly]

Originally Posted by Bottle_of_Smoke

So what's the point of one beer/spritzer? Everyone knows people only drink for effect & if you can feel the effect your baby's developing body surely can. Don't know how people are willing to drink or smoke with a their own developing child depending on their body for nutrition.



Whatever about the site, the paper's a scientifically controlled study. You really sound like you're trying to justify drinking whilst pregnant to yourself.

Given the paper says light drinking affects the memory/brain the second trimester might be the most dangerous time to be drinking.

I wonder what effect being drunk during conception has on the child

I think you made some really good points here. Why bother to drink? People do drink for the effect. And if it isn't for the effect then go get a non-alcoholic beer or wine.
Interesting point made about conception during pregnancy! Makes you wonder....might be some papers written on it, might go look it up now

[barbiegirl]

To clarify on my response, I at all times said moderately. No need for such strong reactions. 1 spritzer every few weeks, not a bottle of whiskey every night.

[ntlbell]

Originally Posted by barbiegirl

To clarify on my response, I at all times said moderately. No need for such strong reactions. 1 spritzer every few weeks, not a bottle of whiskey every night.

but why bother with the 1? is it going to do anything for you?

by pouring 7 up into wine you're hardly drinking it for taste you just ruined the wine, just have the 7 up

it's 9 months, not for life, for 9 months

[Quality]

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists conducted a study of over 400,000 women, all of whom had consumed alcohol during pregnancy. No case of fetal alcohol syndrome occurred and no adverse effects on children were found when consumption was under 8.5 drinks per week. A review of research studies found that fetal alcohol syndrome only occurred among alcoholics. No apparent risk to a child occurred when pregnant women consumes no more than one drink per day.
A study of pregnancies in eight European countries found that consuming no more than one drink per day did not appear to have any effect on fetal growth. A follow-up of children at 18 months of age found that those from women who drank during pregnancy, even two drinks per day, scored higher in several areas of development. An analysis of seven medical research studies involving over 130,000 pregnancies found that consuming two to 14 drinks per week did not increase the risk of giving birth to a child with either malformations or fetal alcohol syndrome.

[Quality]

Originally Posted by ntlbell

but why bother with the 1? is it going to do anything for you?

I dont know why you bother to drink at all,,, after reading your scientific reports from that site...

[ntlbell]

Originally Posted by Quality

I dont know why you bother to drink at all,,, after reading your scientific reports from that site...

I never said I drank.

Just incase you missed it earlier

"Whatever about the site, the paper's a scientifically controlled study."

[ntlbell]

Originally Posted by Quality

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists conducted a study of over 400,000 women, all of whom had consumed alcohol during pregnancy. No case of fetal alcohol syndrome occurred and no adverse effects on children were found when consumption was under 8.5 drinks per week. A review of research studies found that fetal alcohol syndrome only occurred among alcoholics. No apparent risk to a child occurred when pregnant women consumes no more than one drink per day.
A study of pregnancies in eight European countries found that consuming no more than one drink per day did not appear to have any effect on fetal growth. A follow-up of children at 18 months of age found that those from women who drank during pregnancy, even two drinks per day, scored higher in several areas of development. An analysis of seven medical research studies involving over 130,000 pregnancies found that consuming two to 14 drinks per week did not increase the risk of giving birth to a child with either malformations or fetal alcohol syndrome.

This is all well and good, no one is stating that FAS/FES will be caused by small amounts of alcohol these are generally caused by heavy drinking...

So the above is irrelevant

[jaffa20]

It's the mother's choice. Her life and her baby. Yes drinking and smoking may be harmful but we never hear anything about the chemical ridden food that covers our local supermarket shelves. These can be just as harmful if not more.

[LolaDub]

Quality it sounds more like you're advocating drinking during pregnancy rather than asking for opinions. I would imagine if drinking helped the baby or made no difference then a lot more women would drink during pregnancy as it is it is only advised not insisted so you really are free to make your own choice.