[Mr. Wolf]

Hibernian Poker have two big games planned for 2008 both of which require prior booking from players wishing to play in them.
The first is the Hibernian Poker 2008 team event:

1. Who is running the event (Hibernian Poker.)
2. The purpose of the event (commercial)
3. Date and Location of event: Bank Holiday Monday 27th October 2008, Oldcastle House Hotel, Oldcastle
4. Registration and Start time of event. 5pm SHARP
5. Any prerequisites (member of club, which is free)
6. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number ( 120 players i.e. 30 teams of 4 per team, players must pre-book)
7. Type of Tournament ( NL Hold'em Freezeout)
8. Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc. €600 per team, i.e. €150 per player
9. Cost of registration €15 per player included in above price
10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund 100%
11. Any guarenteed prize pool. with 30 teams we have €16,200 in prize money, €7,200 for top 3 teams (€4,000, €2,000 and €1,200 with €9,000 for 10 final table individuals)
12. If applicable, Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blind levels. none
13. Starting Chips 10k
14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts. None
15. Blind levels, 40mins throughout
16. Blind timeframes 50/100 100/200 150/300, 200/400etc
17. Places being paid and if any prizes are other than cash. Top 3 teams & top 10 individuals top 3 individuals win tickets for the 2008 Cavan Poker Open (worth €300 each), all else is cash pay out.
18. Are there going to be dealers - and their level of skill, dealers from level 4 onwards
19. Will there be a documented list of rules yes
20. Is there a tournament director yes
21. How are disputes handled - who has final say. Mick Mc Guane TD

The 2nd major event of the year is the 2008 Cavan Poker Open,


1. Who is running the event (Hibernian Poker.)
2. The purpose of the event (commercial)
3. Date and Location of event Friday 5th, Saturday 6th and Sunday 7th December 2008, Crover House Hotel Mount Nugent
4. Registration and Start time of event. 8pm SHARP
5. Any prerequisites (member of club, which is free)
6. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number (players must pre-book by e-mailing mick@cavanpoker.com or by phone on 0862205111)
7. Type of Tournament ( NL Hold'em Freezeout)
8. Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc. €300 with 1 rebuy or top up for €150
9. Cost of registration €50
10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund 100%
11. Any guarenteed prize pool. 1st prize of €25,000, estimated total prize pool in excess of €70,000. Last years pay out with 180 players was €68,000, this years rebuy has increased from €100 to €150 so prize-pool should exceed €75,000
12. If applicable, Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blind levels. 1 for 1st 3 levels
13. Starting Chips 10k with a 1k bonus for players registered in person before 8pm
14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts. 10k
15. Blind levels, 1 hour throughout
16. Blind timeframes 50/100 100/200 150/300, 200/400etc
17. Places being paid and if any prizes are other than cash. Top 20 individuals all cash.
18. Are there going to be dealers - and their level of skill, dealer dealt throughout, good
19. Will there be a documented list of rules yes
20. Is there a tournament director yes
21. How are disputes handled - who has final say. Mick Mc Guane TD

Our new web site now finished at cavanpoker.com.
For these and other events you can ring me on 086-2205111 or email mick@cavanpoker.com

[RoadSweeper]

Can you post the exact blind levels, as i know Hibernian poker tournies usually end in a crapshoot, even the deepstacked ones.

[Mr. Wolf]

I think you're confusing Hibernian Poker with another company buddy. Exact blind levels for my midweek games which start at 9pm and normally finish around 2am (based on 30 players)
$10k starting chips with 1 re-buy or top up whcich gets another $10k. So its $21k per player.
Blinds are 15 mins long through out and go as follows:
50/100
100/200
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1000
600/1200
800/1500
1000/2000
1500/2000
2000/4000
2500/5000
3000/6000
4000/8000
5000/10000
6000/12000
8000/15000
10000/20000
15000/30000
20000/40000
and frozen at that point.
As you can see I push the blind hard at the start so that I can go easy on them when they matter, so it DOES'NT BECOME A CRAPSHOOT!
My bigger events follow the same criteria except I have a 150/300 level and a 250/500 level and the blinds are 30 mins to start and 25 mins from levels 5 to 15, 20 mins thereafter.
The Cavan Open has blinds of 40 mins throughout the entire 3 days.
Crapshoot? I think not, r u confusing us with someone else???

[pierce hard]

i guess he must be confusing you with Libernian poker who operate in Navan.

[mdwexford]

Not that i have any intention of playing but 50 reg on a 300 game is scandalous imo.

[Mr. Wolf]

Very good, I have had the name of my poker company confused with that of another poker company in the past though, something to do with scottish football teams or something.

On a more serious note though, time is a sensitive issue when it comes to running poker tournies. If I finish a game at 2am, i pack everything away, drive home, normally i'm not in much before 4am if even. So as far as i'm concerned the game can run until 5am it matters not. BUT if I have players missing work on a Wednesday because my Tuesday game goes on to late, even though it means they're finishing in the money if they're still there at that stage, do you think they'll come back the following week? The blind structure I operate is designed to keep pressure on from the start but never too much, i base everything on the ratio of the average chip stack to the size of the big blind, which towards the latter end of a tournament may well be average stack equals 10 big blinds or even 9, but lets face it poker players, if 9 times the big blind doesn't get your opponent off a pot then you've just walked into a monster. I find that once players are aware of the blind structure and play within its limitations they will do what must be done to ensure their survival.
Having said all that my bigs games leave plenty of room for play and no one can deny that.

[Four of a kind]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wolf

Very good, I have had the name of my poker company confused with that of another poker company in the past though, something to do with scottish football teams or something.

On a more serious note though, time is a sensitive issue when it comes to running poker tournies. If I finish a game at 2am, i pack everything away, drive home, normally i'm not in much before 4am if even. So as far as i'm concerned the game can run until 5am it matters not. BUT if I have players missing work on a Wednesday because my Tuesday game goes on to late, even though it means they're finishing in the money if they're still there at that stage, do you think they'll come back the following week? The blind structure I operate is designed to keep pressure on from the start but never too much, i base everything on the ratio of the average chip stack to the size of the big blind, which towards the latter end of a tournament may well be average stack equals 10 big blinds or even 9, but lets face it poker players, if 9 times the big blind doesn't get your opponent off a pot then you've just walked into a monster. I find that once players are aware of the blind structure and play within its limitations they will do what must be done to ensure their survival.
Having said all that my bigs games leave plenty of room for play and no one can deny that.

I can see your point mate. I think the €50 reg on a €300 buyin is what most people will have an issue with here. just my 2.34 cents.

[Mr. Wolf]

Nothing scandalous about it , There is one rebuy or top up in the game for €150 so the game is actually a €500 from which the €50 reg covers dealers and venue. which works out at 10%
The prize pool generated last year was €68,000 with the winner receiving €25,000 and top 21 getting paid (21st got €500) The reason i do it this way is that its easier for me to get out a €300 ticket in one of my smaller games than it is to get out a €500 ticket, last year I had 180 players, 125 of whom had won their tickets, the reg last year was €30 but it was self dealt up until level 10, so the extra €20 this year is to cover the dealers from the start of the tournament and the free entries which I will have for advertising purposes.

[Mr. Wolf]

See earlier quote, unlike some other companies, the entire re-buy and top up gets paid out, next year I will cahnge the format, I think the Waterford Opens €500+€50 is the way to go, but for this year i've already got 60 tickets out so must follow it through. I prefer the freeze out for obvious reasons its just that on night when I have a €1,000 first prize, its better to give €700 plus a ticket than to give €500 plus a ticket, do u agree?

[corkie123]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wolf

Nothing scandalous about it , There is one rebuy or top up in the game for €150 so the game is actually a €500 from which the €50 reg covers dealers and venue. which works out at 10%
The prize pool generated last year was €68,000 with the winner receiving €25,000 and top 21 getting paid (21st got €500) The reason i do it this way is that its easier for me to get out a €300 ticket in one of my smaller games than it is to get out a €500 ticket, last year I had 180 players, 125 of whom had won their tickets, the reg last year was €30 but it was self dealt up until level 10, so the extra €20 this year is to cover the dealers from the start of the tournament and the free entries which I will have for advertising purposes.

these free entrys who pays there money in to prize pool ?

[Mr. Wolf]

'so the extra €20 this year is to cover the dealers from the start of the tournament and the free entries which I will have for advertising purposes'.
I will have an estimated 5 free entries (€1,500) as mentioned in the quote which you quoted, this amount is covered by the 10% registration fee!!!
Their money will be in the prize pool. Will yours?

[mdwexford]

So what if i have 5 average stacks and decide not to rebuy or topup, ive paid 50 reg on a 300 buyin, you cant assume everyone will topup and charge them juice on it accordingly. There is never a reg fee on rebuys anywhere in the country.

Also expecting people to pay an extra 20 euros reg to cover your free entires you've given out "for advertsing purposes" is hilarious. Pay your own advertising bills imo.

This is my last comment in this thread and if people are dumb enough to play this then good luck to you but i think its pretty bad/verging on robbery. 500+50 next time would be far better.

Also the 9 times bb monster thing amused me.

[CHD]

€50 reg!!!! OMG!!! abuse!! abuse!! abuse!!! scandelous!!!

[JP Poker]

Guys Seriously,

You really need to have alook at what it cost to run a tournament like this!!!

I'm speaking here with my players cap on here and not my TD cap. Irish poker players have the best structured tournament in the world at the moment. Do we realy want to discourage tournie orgainsers from running great games like this?

We could revert back to €500 & €50 Reg, 6k stack and 30 min blinds!! This by the way would have been considered great in the UK only 12 months ago!!!

Every player on this forum has no problem in playing a $50 & $5 or $100 & $10 game on stars or ipoker ect because it's 10% reg fee, which by the way has sweet f*&k all in over heads compared to running a live event.

But when a TD goes out of his way to run a really good game like this one and charges more than 10% we all give them a hard time.

I will personally give €100 to the 1st person who can run a 2 day tournnament like above in a hotel with food, dealers ect and make enough money to cover all additional costs (i.e. advertising, transport ect) and make a profit that makes it worth your while on a €30 reg.

[Mr. Wolf]

If you don't wish to top up at the break thats fine, i'm charging you €50 reg to play a tournament with a guaranteed 1st prize of €25,000. How much is that worth? how many €500+€50 games generate that prize? or a prize-pool of €68,000?
I ran The Cavan Open last year with €30 reg, it was 100% pay out on all entries, rebuys and top ups and I had a €68,000 prize pool. I covered the free entries from the reg fee and paid dealers from level 5 for the remaining 12 hours of the tournament, I paid the venue and food bills, 180 players generated €5,400 in registration fees which just about covered this, the price of new equipment i'd purchased for the game and any profit for myself was non existent. The game was a customer service for my players who play with me regularly and believe me when I say the buzz was f***ing brilliant, i'd do it every day if I could (though i'd probably go broke) I don't run cash tables and don't charge any fee for side tables (of which there were about 50 run over the 2 days of the event) so there was no other areas where I could recoup expenses. Like I said their were 125 of the 180 players who had won their entries into this event via smaller games and these included 3 games which I had run as fund raisers for local charity causes at no fee.
I don't know you MDwexford and you don't know me I'm a fan of poker and really enjoy running games, you're obviously a disgruntled cynic, why? I don't know. I'm glad that that was your last comment on this thread, i thought Boards was a good place to let people know about decently run and fair poker tournaments but obviously I was wrong. You just want to have a whinge md, good luck to you son.