Knox talks!!!

**walshb** · 13-05-2008, 07:09

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2008/0513/kidneyd.html

What an .......

Typical whinger.....

buck65 · 13-05-2008, 07:19

Shouldn't he be on holidays soaking up the glory of ASSISTING Leinster to a MAGNERS LEAGUE title?

No offence to Leinster fans, the ML is a worthy and well deserved victory, but to have a go at Kidney after bringing an expansive Munster team to a HCup final throught the pool of death is a bit much. Kidney may not be the Messiah (his players do his talking IMO) but surely he deserves a shot without this nonsense.

The O Gara comment is fair enough at least he is judging a player from experience. That's his opinion, he's entitled to it.

This guy is an .........

is_that_so · 13-05-2008, 07:28

Take a look at the mixed comments on Kidney in the other thread, however well we might want them to do under Kidney, there is doubt. I am not 100% convinced by his appointment myself but he's entitled to a shot at it. He is right about the Munster style, as successful as it may have been, although I'd say the problems are deeper than just Kidney. He's also right about ROG. He is not Dan Carter. He's a fantastic asset to have when he is kicking well but some of his decisions making in recent times has been iffy.

It is all well and good that they win the HEC but quite a number of the team have not stepped up for the national team any more than players of the other provinces, apart from that "glorious" autumn series before the RWC. Part of the argument in favour of a foreign coach is that they would be untainted by the bunglers that are the IRFU.

Full interview here.

buck65 · 13-05-2008, 07:36

I agree with your point but Kidney should be judged when he has spent some time in the job, this is just Aussie sledging, typical and arrogant.
Yeah Howlett may have scored a few more tries for Leinster, against the likes of the Dragons and Edinburgh , not exactly Wasps or Clermont Auvergne.
This is just a Leinster / Munster thing in wrapping.
Personally I too would have liked to see Kidney stay in Munster and someone from outside coming in , for 2 reasons 1- Totally selfish reasons in keeping a great structure in the province and 2 to shake up the Irish squad with someone with no allegiances, but there is no need to vent one's frustration on a Munster team that have done the country proud and put Irish club rugby on the map, and in fairness are trying to adapt and widen their game just as Leinster are adapting theirs.

puntosporting · 13-05-2008, 07:49

Munsters style of rugby is damn exciting if your a munster man i can tell you that!
Of course its not flair but hard graft and commitment gets a crowd going nicely!
There is always risk involved in any appointment at international level,no one can predict how players and coaches will ultimatly get on!
You have to factor in the form of other nations ,injuries the variables are endless.
The main point is that kidney has earned a shot and the vacancy is there so let him get on with it!
Ill let people make their own minds up on ROG ill just point out what a fantyastic servant he has been to club and country the last number of years!

Evil_Clown · 13-05-2008, 07:57

"In an interview with the Irish Independent, Australian coach Knox is very critical of the rugby played by Kidney's Munster, insisting their triumphs come at the expense of any style or flair"

You can have your flair********* I'l have 2 HEINEKEN CUPS, cheers

JWAD · 13-05-2008, 08:14

Thought it was fairly honest and his comments on the club and provincial setups are fairly bang-on ie. people in it just for a good time.
His comments on the likes of Tipoki McYellowCard and Mafi also on the ball as is the underuse of Doug Howlett.
And ROG while effective in his own way is no Dan Carter.

Compare the comments of a qualified coach and player with the likes of Ciaran Cronin in the Tribune and you should see the difference.

Its criticism and if it affects you theres only one way to counter it and that is prove Knox wrong. Otherwise, carry on regardless as Declan Kidney.

kmick · 13-05-2008, 08:28

While I dont think its very helpful to the whole situation I fear he may be right. Irelands tactics have been fairly uninspiring of late and I cant see kidney changing that.

jaykay74 · 13-05-2008, 08:31

I'II take winning rugby please.

**tHE vAGGABOND** · 13-05-2008, 08:36

Quote:

You can have your flair ***********l have 2 HEINEKEN CUPS, cheers

Thats great to hear that Toulouse are not going to bother travelling and you lads have the cup without playing a game..

WP! GG!

Tim Robbins · 13-05-2008, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by walshb

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2008/0513/kidneyd.html

What an *********

Typical whinger.....

It's a bit caustic but at the same time some Munster fans won't take any criticism. I mean CA did a no show in a critical game that could have meant Munster didn't make it out of their group. But yet Munster could end up winning the thing.

I consider Munster rugby's biggest achievements in the AIL not the H cup.

Evil_Clown · 13-05-2008, 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by tHE vAGGABOND

Thats great to hear that Toulouse are not going to bother travelling and you lads have the cup without playing a game..

WP! GG!

I also called Mr Knox, Mr Cocks
Just making a point please don't confuse it with arrogance I know that H Cup final is goin to be one hell of a battle

Diamondmaker · 13-05-2008, 09:06

Some people here may be surprised to find that his opinions would be the norm in the SH.

We all know what the ABs game is like and Union genuinely is not strongly supported in Oz outside pockets of Sydney. Instead is favour more for ball in hand game, that is League.

They dont like rucks, mauls or kicking for touch or any silly stoppages and techinicalities.... just good old hard running and the infamous and legal ! shoulder charge.

Knox aint jive talking he is just a SH man and until we front up deliver RWCs like Oz and ahemmm the ABs and SA he may have a point.

When Eng defiled the above methods there were not too many fans of that style either side of the equator!!

I dont recall my Munster Brethern raving about how good the Eng style was to behold back then.....Id love to do a search of the Board from back then and see

GDM · 13-05-2008, 09:50

Meh, flair is only good if it wins you matches. Stick to what wins you matches. Leinster can play all the flashy rugby they like (I'm not trying to turn this into a Munster/Leinster thing but he is a Leinster guy so it's a valid point) and win the Magners League but they came unstuck in the Heineken and they need to figure out what went wrong.

Look at their first round match against Leicester, they played what people would consider an old style Munster type game and they squashed Leicester after that they went downhill.

The whole O'Gara/Carter thing is crap too. O'Gara is not as good as people think (and I'm a Munster fan) but he's the best we have and I honestly don't think Carter is as good as people think. His early matches in the Super 14 this year were fairly pedestrian.

**marco_polo** · 13-05-2008, 09:55

That is a great start to relations between the provincial setups and the national team. But it is typical of what you hear from alot of SH coaches when talking about NH rubgy I'm afraid.

It is irrelevant as to whether or not any of he has a point, the fact of the matter is that as the assistant coach of one of the provinces his comments are crass and unprofessional in the extreme.

**EDIT ** I have just remembered he is leaving, good riddance. Leinsters backline will be all the better for his absence as well next season.

13-05-2008, 07:09	#1
walshb Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,777 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Boxing	Knox talks!!! http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2008/0513/kidneyd.html What an ....... Typical whinger..... Last edited by RuggieBear; 14-05-2008 at 18:21. Reason: abuse gets you a ban

13-05-2008, 07:19	#2
buck65 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,067 Adverts \| Friends	Shouldn't he be on holidays soaking up the glory of ASSISTING Leinster to a MAGNERS LEAGUE title? No offence to Leinster fans, the ML is a worthy and well deserved victory, but to have a go at Kidney after bringing an expansive Munster team to a HCup final throught the pool of death is a bit much. Kidney may not be the Messiah (his players do his talking IMO) but surely he deserves a shot without this nonsense. The O Gara comment is fair enough at least he is judging a player from experience. That's his opinion, he's entitled to it. This guy is an ......... Last edited by RuggieBear; 14-05-2008 at 18:21.

13-05-2008, 07:28	#3
is_that_so Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,646 Adverts \| Friends	Take a look at the mixed comments on Kidney in the other thread, however well we might want them to do under Kidney, there is doubt. I am not 100% convinced by his appointment myself but he's entitled to a shot at it. He is right about the Munster style, as successful as it may have been, although I'd say the problems are deeper than just Kidney. He's also right about ROG. He is not Dan Carter. He's a fantastic asset to have when he is kicking well but some of his decisions making in recent times has been iffy. It is all well and good that they win the HEC but quite a number of the team have not stepped up for the national team any more than players of the other provinces, apart from that "glorious" autumn series before the RWC. Part of the argument in favour of a foreign coach is that they would be untainted by the bunglers that are the IRFU. Full interview here. Last edited by is_that_so; 13-05-2008 at 07:32.

13-05-2008, 07:36	#4
buck65 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,067 Adverts \| Friends	I agree with your point but Kidney should be judged when he has spent some time in the job, this is just Aussie sledging, typical and arrogant. Yeah Howlett may have scored a few more tries for Leinster, against the likes of the Dragons and Edinburgh , not exactly Wasps or Clermont Auvergne. This is just a Leinster / Munster thing in wrapping. Personally I too would have liked to see Kidney stay in Munster and someone from outside coming in , for 2 reasons 1- Totally selfish reasons in keeping a great structure in the province and 2 to shake up the Irish squad with someone with no allegiances, but there is no need to vent one's frustration on a Munster team that have done the country proud and put Irish club rugby on the map, and in fairness are trying to adapt and widen their game just as Leinster are adapting theirs. Last edited by buck65; 13-05-2008 at 07:45.

13-05-2008, 07:57	#6
Evil_Clown Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lat 53º00´ N, Long 8º 00´W Posts: 704 Adverts \| Friends	"In an interview with the Irish Independent, Australian coach Knox is very critical of the rugby played by Kidney's Munster, insisting their triumphs come at the expense of any style or flair" You can have your flair********* I'l have 2 HEINEKEN CUPS, cheers __________________ Last edited by RuggieBear; 14-05-2008 at 18:23. Reason: abuse gets you a ban

13-05-2008, 07:49	#5
puntosporting Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Limerick City Posts: 579 Adverts \| Friends	Munsters style of rugby is damn exciting if your a munster man i can tell you that! Of course its not flair but hard graft and commitment gets a crowd going nicely! There is always risk involved in any appointment at international level,no one can predict how players and coaches will ultimatly get on! You have to factor in the form of other nations ,injuries the variables are endless. The main point is that kidney has earned a shot and the vacancy is there so let him get on with it! Ill let people make their own minds up on ROG ill just point out what a fantyastic servant he has been to club and country the last number of years!

13-05-2008, 08:14	#7
JWAD Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 460 Adverts \| Friends	Thought it was fairly honest and his comments on the club and provincial setups are fairly bang-on ie. people in it just for a good time. His comments on the likes of Tipoki McYellowCard and Mafi also on the ball as is the underuse of Doug Howlett. And ROG while effective in his own way is no Dan Carter. Compare the comments of a qualified coach and player with the likes of Ciaran Cronin in the Tribune and you should see the difference. Its criticism and if it affects you theres only one way to counter it and that is prove Knox wrong. Otherwise, carry on regardless as Declan Kidney.

13-05-2008, 08:28	#8
kmick Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,914 Adverts \| Friends	While I dont think its very helpful to the whole situation I fear he may be right. Irelands tactics have been fairly uninspiring of late and I cant see kidney changing that. __________________ Crocodiles never go away if you feed them-J.Schumpeter

13-05-2008, 08:31	#9
jaykay74 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: dublin Posts: 1,426 Adverts \| Friends	I'II take winning rugby please.

13-05-2008, 09:06	#13
Diamondmaker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia. Posts: 1,645 Adverts \| Friends	Some people here may be surprised to find that his opinions would be the norm in the SH. We all know what the ABs game is like and Union genuinely is not strongly supported in Oz outside pockets of Sydney. Instead is favour more for ball in hand game, that is League. They dont like rucks, mauls or kicking for touch or any silly stoppages and techinicalities.... just good old hard running and the infamous and legal ! shoulder charge. Knox aint jive talking he is just a SH man and until we front up deliver RWCs like Oz and ahemmm the ABs and SA he may have a point. When Eng defiled the above methods there were not too many fans of that style either side of the equator!! I dont recall my Munster Brethern raving about how good the Eng style was to behold back then.....Id love to do a search of the Board from back then and see

13-05-2008, 09:50	#14
GDM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,451 Adverts \| Friends	Meh, flair is only good if it wins you matches. Stick to what wins you matches. Leinster can play all the flashy rugby they like (I'm not trying to turn this into a Munster/Leinster thing but he is a Leinster guy so it's a valid point) and win the Magners League but they came unstuck in the Heineken and they need to figure out what went wrong. Look at their first round match against Leicester, they played what people would consider an old style Munster type game and they squashed Leicester after that they went downhill. The whole O'Gara/Carter thing is crap too. O'Gara is not as good as people think (and I'm a Munster fan) but he's the best we have and I honestly don't think Carter is as good as people think. His early matches in the Super 14 this year were fairly pedestrian. __________________ I'm officer Reeses,what happened here? He got peanut butter on my chocolate! He got chocolate in my peanut butter!

13-05-2008, 09:55	#15
marco_polo Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dublin (Clare) Posts: 4,050 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Palaeontology	That is a great start to relations between the provincial setups and the national team. But it is typical of what you hear from alot of SH coaches when talking about NH rubgy I'm afraid. It is irrelevant as to whether or not any of he has a point, the fact of the matter is that as the assistant coach of one of the provinces his comments are crass and unprofessional in the extreme. EDIT I have just remembered he is leaving, good riddance. Leinsters backline will be all the better for his absence as well next season. Last edited by marco_polo; 13-05-2008 at 10:07.

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