[bonkey]

Originally Posted by rigormortis

Bonkey "RFID will not add to security". Well if you overlook the fact that everyone and everything will be tracked at all times, then I suppose you have a case.

But everyone and everything won't be tracked at all times....and until its made a crime to not be trackable, it'll never happen. If you require everyone to be trackable, then you don't need embedded RFID in the first place...there's plenty of other ways to do it.

This technology is being gradually introduced as we speak. In two years it will be common place unless people educate themselves.

I agree entirely.

People need to realise that its not - as we're told - a tradeoff between security and privacy and that sacrificing privacy does not automatically make one more secure.

[bonkey]

While checking up on some of this stuff, I happened across an interesting discussion on another site.

Bruce Schneier was describing a possible alteration to the RFID-in-Passports-hooked-to-biometric-database idea that the US want to introduce.
Basically, to "alleviate security concerns", the system was going to additionally have the following:

1) The data on the RFID chip would be encrypted
2) The data on the RFID chip could only be encrypted using a key which was encoded optically on the passport cover.

Now...think about that for just a second...the only way to read the RFID data is to scan a portion of the physical passport. This, then, completely removes any security argument for having the information readable at a distance. You could ditch the RFID chip entirely and have the key to your actual biometrics database stored in the ssme optically-readable format.

So again, its clear that the introduction of RFID in passports isn't about security. The same level of security can be obtained, with the same level of convenience, omitting the use of RFID entirely.

So why use RFID? Because you can track the chip at a distance, even if you can't decode the data. And once the thing is scanned once, you have the ability to map the encoded data to a person, so you know who is who! Of course...you can only do that to the people who don't realise this and haven't (for example) wrapped their passport in some form of shielding...which of course anyone who doesn't want to be trackable will do....

So Joe Q Public loses anonymity and privacy, while anyone who wants to (including criminals) can trivially get around the implications of carrying an RFID-chipped passport.

The lack of additional security only supports the argument that RFID is being pushed for reasons other then security. The public are being conned into thinking that it makes them safer when it doesn't. Whatever security they get could be implemented without the loss of privacy inherent in RFID implementations. So in effect, people are trading privacy against, well, nothing.

You want a conspiracy? Well, thats one right there. We must either believe that no-one in government can understand the fundamentals of security, or that they are knowingly putting forward systems to erode privacy for no additional security.

[rigormortis]

So lets get this clear, Bonkey is against the government on RFID. There is a first time for everything.

[bonkey]

Originally Posted by rigormortis

So lets get this clear, Bonkey is against the government on RFID.

I'm against the introduction of RFID for the (claimed) purpose of increasing security.

There is a first time for everything.

This isn't one of them. You've based your beliefs on faulty research.

[Diogenes]

Originally Posted by rigormortis

So lets get this clear, Bonkey is against the government on RFID. There is a first time for everything.

Wow for a poster with 34 points who's been on this forum for a good nine days you sure know so much about it's users, casey.

[rigormortis]

Originally Posted by bonkey

This isn't one of them. You've based your beliefs on faulty research.

I am one of the few who appear to be against a survelliance society. If you were to believe the media, no one would leave their house, what with all those terrorists.

[rigormortis]

Truth published in a newspaper? Not often this happens.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...253033,00.html

[humanji]

It's in a newspaper and therefore must be untrue. It's the NWO lying to you again!

[Run_to_da_hills]

Originally Posted by humanji

It's in a newspaper and therefore must be untrue. It's the NWO lying to you again!

What NWO, who are they?

[meglome]

Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

What NWO, who are they?

Our lords and masters who control everything seemingly. Would appear most unlikely but that doesn't seem to concern a lot of the posters in here.

There seems to be a belief that us sceptics don't believe there's anything bad happening in the world that we should be worried about. That's simply not true. I'm sure we're worried about any number of different things, such as the passport chipping issue that bonkey mentions. What we're not going to do is get too excited about some implausible and often frankly ridiculous conspiracy which has no evidence to back it up.

[humanji]

It's the New World Order, a supposed group that runs everything, is enslaving humanity, worships the devil, uses space lasers to destroy buildings, are really lizard men or are any perpetrator of the conspiracy de jour.

Casey and many others claim that the NWO have 100% control over the media and so the media can't be trusted. Yet somehow this belief is completely ignored when a paper publishes something that agrees with them.

[djpbarry]

Originally Posted by humanji

Casey and many others claim that the NWO have 100% control over the media and so the media can't be trusted.

We've just upped it to 110%.

[Run_to_da_hills]

Interesting news, biometric fingerprinting to become manditory for anyone entering the EU, another step towards totalitarian controll and your "666" electronic passport. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7242386.stm

[rigormortis]

Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

Interesting news, biometric fingerprinting to become manditory for anyone entering the EU, another step towards totalitarian controll and your "666" electronic passport. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7242386.stm

Yes, the people need to reject this invasion of privacy. Things are starting to get totally out of hand. Cashless society, RFID, biometrics, cctv, satellite tracking, police state. In ten years the world will be a living hell, and yet people just float along oblivious.

Look at this joke;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

[Kernel]

Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

What NWO, who are they?

Since nobody has given you a serious answer (I'm disappointed again guys!). The NWO is a system of control and direction for the planet. The term NWO is sometimes used to refer to the groups involved (or possibly the one group [illuminati] in control of the smaller groups). The smaller groups are the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Bilderberg Group and some believe the Masons are in there too.

Basically powerful elite from political, academic and industrial disciplines who have a vision of the future and an agenda to achieve it. Google it, the rabbit hole runs too deeply for a simple answer.

EDIT: Ehhh.. NWO stands for New World Order (in case you didn't know that).